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25-04-2018, 14:53
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Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Tarpon Springs fl
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
I think its a dream to spend only 30k now if you had 50K and 30 on a boat and 20 and thats low on fix up you might could do it !
Dont plan around the world till you know this is what your willing to go thru.
The ocean can swallow you ! You need to be ready.
Life rafts ,AIS ,Chart plotters etc
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25-04-2018, 17:31
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#32
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Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Florida
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
I think you've got lots of good advice re: boats but unless I missed something, you didn't mention anything about your sail training or experience, so I assume you're a novice sailor? If that's the case I'd recommend spending some or all of that $30K kitty on training and chartering for you and your partner. I can recommend some excellent schools here in the SF bay area, and I've taken many classes where students fly in for training. I'm sure there are also many excellent schools on the east coast, and in the Caribbean as well. Get your BBC, or ASA 104(?) and your international certificate of competence, and you can charter boats anywhere in the world. Then you and your partner can charter a 30 -35 ft monohull for a week or two in a beautiful location and really get a feel for what it's like to spend time on a small sailboat. You said you wanted a boat where "safety, ease of use, good in rough seas would be first thoughts". Well that should kinda describe the skipper and crew as well, shouldn't it? Good luck.
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25-04-2018, 21:28
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#33
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Join Date: Dec 2014
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
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Originally Posted by stnick
I think its a dream to spend only 30k now if you had 50K and 30 on a boat and 20 and thats low on fix up you might could do it !
Dont plan around the world till you know this is what your willing to go thru.
The ocean can swallow you ! You need to be ready.
Life rafts ,AIS ,Chart plotters etc
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27-04-2018, 00:07
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#35
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Join Date: May 2017
Location: Chicago
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
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Originally Posted by Scaramanga F25
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Really great idea.
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27-04-2018, 04:38
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#36
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
Boat: Bristol 27
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
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Originally Posted by crankysailor
Suggestion from a recent ex newbie myself on the way to his second boat: buy something in the best shape you can for an amount of money you can afford to lose without much pain. It is only your first boat and there will be others. First boat is just to learn if sailing and boat ownership is for you and what you like. For the second boat you will then be able to answer this question yourself. Have fun !
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The is a very good idea and pretty much what I did with my first monohull (but it was maybe my 12th boat)
Buy something for maybe $8,000 - $15,000 and do repairs as needed. Start sailing as soon as possible close to your location
I'm still on my first monohull which I bought in 2011. I got it for $2,000 but the price should have been about $6,000-$7,000 as it was totally loaded with equipment and had just returned from a 2 year cruise to Florida before it sat on the hard for 5 years unattended. (estate sale)
I've just done the needed repairs and paid cash for everything. Plus my boat is suitable for offshore sailing if properly prepared
If you aren't an expert there's a few lists that will help as has been posted.
Mahina Offshore, Bluewater Boats.org, and Atomvoyages.com (for Bluewater Boats less than 32')
Here's a great piece of advice from the atomvoyages.com site:
A final word of advice to the novice sailor - resist the temptation to undertake a major refit and extensive modifications on your new old boat right at the start. It's best to make only the obvious repairs needed and go out and sail locally and on some coastal vacation passages to learn exactly what is and what is not needed for you. Otherwise you may end up spending years and many thousands of dollars more than expected modifying your boat and then find out on your first ocean crossing that the boat is not right for you or those great ideas you had during the refurbishment did not work out that well at sea.
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29-04-2018, 12:31
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Join Date: Oct 2011
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
Somewhere in this thread there was mention of a pilot berth as a good feature. I would advise you to think long and hard about the thought of sleeping that high off of the sole and how far you have to fall if a weather cloth fails. They require stronger (more time to get out of) weather cloths and take up valuable storage area and on narrower (older,less costly) boats sometimes make the settee below it less comfortable. I have slept in a pilot berth at anchor and it was nice to be out of the way of other crew members but I would not have used it at sea. Pilot berths were put into Pilot Boats, so they could stack 6 smelly captains into a small boat and go out and heave-to waiting for a ship to arrive. The need for them is not really there in a boat that will seldom have more than 2 people on board. In very bad weather, the cabin sole is the safest, most comfortable place to sleep, but makes it difficult for other crew members. As all things on CF, this is an opinion, but I have enough offshore miles to know that I want a secure feeling bunk that isnt 5 feet above hard objects when the boat is heeled. ____Just my 2 cents worth. ____Grant.
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29-04-2018, 12:47
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#38
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 971
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
I have owned for many years 2 boats with pilot berths.
They were great for storage. They were never slept in.
In racing I prefered quaters berths offshore if the boat I crewed on had them
otherwise salon berths with lee-cloths.
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29-04-2018, 14:45
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#39
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
FWIW:
While we did sleep in the pilot berths on our previous boat, once we set out cruising they were converted from pilot berths to pile-it berths. With appropriate knockdown netting, they became out easy access storage areas.
Jim
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29-04-2018, 16:51
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#40
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Kingston Ont Canada
Boat: Looking for my next boat!
Posts: 3,101
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
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Originally Posted by stnick
I think its a dream to spend only 30k now if you had 50K and 30 on a boat and 20 and thats low on fix up you might could do it !
Dont plan around the world till you know this is what your willing to go thru.
The ocean can swallow you ! You need to be ready.
Life rafts ,AIS ,Chart plotters etc
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These guys had $10,000. They spent $3000 on the boat and the rest on repairs. Then they sailed all over the Caribbean for a year...and still going strong. Like other comments have said...the hard part is to begin.
Sailing Uma: https://youtu.be/pD1dbX4wGtQ
https://youtu.be/lAye0mf2A8g
...and yes, I love these guys! They inspire me to have my own sailing adventure one day!!!
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29-04-2018, 16:58
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#41
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Kingston Ont Canada
Boat: Looking for my next boat!
Posts: 3,101
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
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Originally Posted by gjordan
Somewhere in this thread there was mention of a pilot berth as a good feature. I would advise you to think long and hard about the thought of sleeping that high off of the sole and how far you have to fall if a weather cloth fails.
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Whats so wrong about having a good sturdy/strong lee cloth? Shouldn't every lee cloth be strong?
OK...I don't disagree with you. But more often than not, guests come when you are someplace nice, while you anchor or dock every night. And everyone likes to have their own bunk. A pilot berth gives a private bunk without sleeping on the dinner table. And anyone with kids knows that kids LOVE pilot berths...leaving the good bunks for the adults!!!
At worst they are great storage space in what is usually wasted space. I favour a roll up dinghy with inflatable floor, and a pilot berth is a great home for it when deflated...properly secured of course.
So I'll agree that maybe they aren't the best sleeping berths while on a passage, but I still think they are a great feature on any boat!!!!
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29-04-2018, 17:30
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#42
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, in Tasmania, Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
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Re: Bluewater cruiser suggestions for newbies
We sometimes sleep on our settee--closest berth to amidships. It has a lee cloth, and I trust it to keep me in the bunk, even in a knockdown to leeward. Just make sure when you put in the lee cloth that it is well secured to the bottom, as well as overhead. Ours is screwed in via a batten, screws on 4" centers, the length of the settee. Overhead, it ties to pad eyes in the deck beams, but we used to secure to hand rails.
Ann
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