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SaltyMonkey · 23-12-2010, 10:54

Exactly Capt Don...and even if you take into account that some may be dupes (say 50%), or just looks at the sailboatdata site list, its still quite a bit to try and get your brain around.

Randyonr3 · 23-12-2010, 12:29

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Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey

Exactly Capt Don...and even if you take into account that some may be dupes (say 50%), or just looks at the sailboatdata site list, its still quite a bit to try and get your brain around.

Salty
you seem not able to see the forest for the trees..
with this list, it makes finding a boat easier than ever before.... just find the size your looking for and compare from models avalable...
looking for a 38 foot.. you've got a 37, 393, F38, F38.5, an Oceanis 370 or a 381...... so within the list, you're now down to 6 boats...
If you want to forget the hot rod. scratch 2 boats.. now you're down to 4.........looks simple to me............

SaltyMonkey · 23-12-2010, 12:48

Thats great - except, I'd also include the 36's and 40's...so its a bit more.

This is what we are looking at (including the F) for a start:

BENETEAU 361 2 CABIN/CU - 35' 2003 2003
BENETEAU 361 3 CABIN/CU - 35' 2003 2003
BENETEAU 361/CU - 36' 2000 2004
BENETEAU 37/CU - 36' 2008 2008
BENETEAU 37/CU - 37' 2009 2009
BENETEAU 373/CU - 36' 2004 2008
BENETEAU 393 2 CABIN/CU - 38' 2003 2007
BENETEAU 393 3 CABIN/CU - 38' 2003 2007
BENETEAU 393/CU - 38' 2008 2008
FIRST 36.7 RA/CU - 35' 2003 2008
FIRST 36.7/RA - 35' 2009 2009
FIRST 36S7 RA/CU - 36' 1996 1998
FIRST 375 RA/CU - 37' 1985 1987
FIRST 38 RA/CU - 40' 1984 1984
FIRST 38.5 RA/CU - 38' 1990 1994
FIRST 40 DEEP KEEL/RA - 40' 2009 2009
FIRST 40.7 RA/CU - 39' 1999 2008
FIRST 40/RA - 40' 2009 2009
FIRST 405 RA/CU - 40' 1985 1990
OCEANIS 36CC/CU - 35' 2003 2003
OCEANIS 36CC/CU - 36' 1997 2000
OCEANIS 370/CU - 35' 1992 1992
OCEANIS 370/CU - 36' 1991 1991
OCEANIS 370/CU - 37' 1993 1994
OCEANIS 381/CU - 39' 1997 2000
OCEANIS 390 1 AFT CAB/CU - 38' 1991 1991
OCEANIS 390 1AFT CAB/CU - 39' 1990 1990
OCEANIS 390 2 AFT CAB/CU - 38' 1991 1991
OCEANIS 390 2AFT CAB/CU - 39' 1990 1990
OCEANIS 390/CU - 38' 1992 1992
OCEANIS 390/CU - 39' 1987 1993
OCEANIS 400/CU - 40' 1993 1996
OCEANIS 40CC/CU - 40' 1995 1995
OCEANIS 40CC/CU - 41' 1997 2000
IDYLLE 11.50/SL - 37' 1987 1987
IDYLLE 1150/SL - 38' 1984 1984

Personally, all too big a boat for me, but maybe not OP. Couldn't handle the repairs or the upkeep. or $torage on my own. I'm down in the lower 30s. Would even consider the upper 20's.

Capt.Don · 23-12-2010, 13:27

Salty/Randy,
I'm discovering that in evaluating, it all comes down to: (1) are you OK with the Beneteau as a boat/builder, (2) size of boat, (3) year(s), (4) budget purchase + retrofit, (5) First or not, (6) Moorings or not,.... This reduces the list considerably.

I was hoping to discover that for a given year, the First was similar in design to the Beneteau/Oceanis; however, in fact, this is not the case. The Firsts are completely different boats. For me, it is easy - I'm leaning towards the Firsts as I don't care for mast/boom furling, lack of spinnaker gear... found on the cruising models. There are noticeable differences in the interiors in the 80's compared to the late 90's/00's (more plastic, veneers), and I don't like the unnatural curves on the current models. All personal opinion.

For me, the mid 80's to early 90's 38'-40' Firsts seems about right and the boats are very similar. It has been said before, the boat will find you. You just need to look at at a lot of boats. This is supposed to be fun!

SaltyMonkey · 23-12-2010, 13:39

Capt Don. If Randy hasn't sold his yet, you should seriously check it out.

Randyonr3 · 23-12-2010, 15:05

Still have the boat.. and probably will have until spring... I've pulled the headliner in the forward berth to be redone.. all the interior will be re-upholstered, and all foam replaced.. thinking of replacing the sole as is it has wear on it.. The price will reflect the amount of work I put into it befor its sold.. If someone were to buy it today, 65K is the price..
once I finish, she'll go on the market for 85 to 90 k.....

SaltyMonkey · 23-12-2010, 17:01

Capt Don - thats a really smart winter deal - just some slight cosmetic work to be done and right up the road from you on I5

sailstoo · 24-12-2010, 00:34

Capt. Don... I haven't read all of this very long post but I understand you're looking at Beneteau Firsts, the deep draft high-performance models of the Beneteau line. I don't know how important performance is to you and you may well be aware of the information I'm about to offer up. If so, sorry about that. Having said that, US Sailing publishes a list of the PHRF or performance handicap ratings of most boats currently out there, including a potful of Beneteaus. I'm not suggesting you're gonna race the boat but it gives a relative measure of the performance of each boat. As I understand it, each point = one second per mile so a boat with a PHRF rating of 60 is 40 seconds per mile faster that a boat with a PHRF rating of 100. In a 10 mile race the PHRF 60 boat would have to beat the PHRF 100 boat by 400 seconds to "gain its time". Looking at it another way, on a 200 mile cruise the faster boat will get to its destination almost 2 1/2 hours sooner than the slower boat. Hope this helps.
http://offshore.ussailing.org/Assets...+Handicaps.pdf

goboatingnow · 24-12-2010, 02:09

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Originally Posted by Capt.Don

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I was hoping to discover that for a given year, the First was similar in design to the Beneteau/Oceanis; however, in fact, this is not the case. The Firsts are completely different boats. For me, it is easy - I'm leaning towards the Firsts as I don't care for mast/boom furling, lack of spinnaker gear... found on the cruising models. There are noticeable differences in the interiors in the 80's compared to the late 90's/00's (more plastic, veneers), and I don't like the unnatural curves on the current models. All personal opinion.

It's worth bearing mind that while the firsts are nice boats any of the cruising range can be easily upgraded to spinnaker poles bigger block and winches etc quite easily. The basic deck gear on the cruising boars is as good ( in most cases the same) ad the firsts. Many beneteau cruisers were also equipped with this gear from the start as many of the 40 foot and under beneteaus, certainly in Europe, were bought as club racers.

Dave

MarkJ · 25-12-2010, 17:43

I have just had a flick through this thread and wonder why 2 people who have no knowledge of racing or Beneteaus want a racing Beneteau to go cruising?

Are you stark raving crackers?

SaltyMonkey says he couldn't get around the steering wheel, and thought the First 35 was flimsy.
Not only being one of the funniest statements yet on this forum, what the hell do you think racing is all about? Slow, heavy boats with unfit crews?

Their racing pedigree isnt in dispute, especially if you look at the results of the worlds more difficult offshore races like the Sydney Hobart where a Beneteau won outright last Christmas, and in the disastrous 1998 race, where a number of people were unfortunately killed, a Beneteau won its division.
As for thus deciding that the best racing boat would then be an old one is laughable. Try getting Tony Bullimore to race some 20 year old hull. Each year is a quantum leap forward. Not, SM and Capt D, the reverse! Perhpas you could look at the Fastnet Race too. You will see Beneteau has still been doing well since you imbecilic cut-off date.

Needless to say, after painting oneself into a corner, no matter how 'right' you ever think you are you will never be happy on something you hate so much. Thus you both should re-evaluate the purpose of wishing for one.

But if your purpose is just to stir the pot, stir on. We have heard it all before.

I'm off to polish the steel keel. It was iron, but constant scaping on lime stone coral has tempered it to shiny....

Mark

**boatman61** · 25-12-2010, 17:55

ROTFLMAO...... good to have ya back MarkJ....

My apologies if anyone finds 'A' offensive

meyermm · 25-12-2010, 18:37

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Originally Posted by MarkJ

I have just had a flick through this thread and wonder why 2 people who have no knowledge of racing or Beneteaus want a racing Beneteau to go cruising?

Are you stark raving crackers?

SaltyMonkey says he couldn't get around the steering wheel, and thought the First 35 was flimsy.
Not only being one of the funniest statements yet on this forum, what the hell do you think racing is all about? Slow, heavy boats with unfit crews?

Their racing pedigree isn't in dispute, especially if you look at the results of the worlds more difficult offshore races like the Sydney Hobart where a Beneteau won outright last Christmas, and in the disastrous 1998 race, where a number of people were unfortunately killed, a Beneteau won its division.
As for thus deciding that the best racing boat would then be an old one is laughable. Try getting Tony Bullimore to race some 20 year old hull. Each year is a quantum leap forward. Not, SM and Capt D, the reverse! Perhaps you could look at the Fastnet Race too. You will see Beneteau has still been doing well since you imbecilic cut-off date.

Needless to say, after painting oneself into a corner, no matter how 'right' you ever think you are you will never be happy on something you hate so much. Thus you both should re-evaluate the purpose of wishing for one.

But if your purpose is just to stir the pot, stir on. We have heard it all before.

I'm off to polish the steel keel. It was iron, but constant scraping on lime stone coral has tempered it to shiny....

Mark

Mark you are going to get yourself a bad name like me with your factual to the point reply. Glad to see the ocean air has not mellowed your OZ straight talking. Shortly you will probably receive the VirtualVagabond announcement which will go something like this "On behalf of the Australian Government I wish to apologise for another of our countrymens comments. Most of us are very shy quite ******** artists who go to great lengths not to offend the world ...............and so on"
But I just loved what you had to say

On another post recently I pointed out the love affair many had with old boats, full keel heavy displacement etc etc. With those type boats becoming very old and on the whole usually needing lots of $$ to restore to safe passage making capability. So now the same logic is being used to the Beneteau & Jenneau line. Older is better you see it written with comments like the early firsts were much better built than the new ones.
I did have a question though about that keel how many did you have to replace while circumnavigating as I have been assured by the Multi hull fraternity that this would have been a regular occurrence