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Old 09-12-2021, 19:14   #1
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Anyone familiar with a Havis 33? Very rare can't find anything

Owned her for a few months now but there seems to be no information at all on her. The closest boat that matches her is a young sun 35. She was built in 1981.
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Old 09-12-2021, 20:15   #2
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Looks like a Taiwan boat and they were not always to good about following import rules but ... somewhere at the stern, supposed to be on the starboard side, usually just under the cap rail the should be 12 characters engraqved or molded into the gelcoat. The Characters commonly known as a HIN would be your "Hull Identification Number / Manufacturers Identification Code".
If the numbers are not there, they may be stamped on a small metal plate somewhere on the boat, sometimes in the cockpit.

If you can locate the 12 character HIN, you can look it up on The USCG site and find the name of the manufacturer or more likely importer and an address. Any given Taiwan boats could have been branded with various names and can be hard to track.

A little more info on HIN's here ...
What is a HIN
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My HID was carved into the top of cap rail just forward of the flag.
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Old 09-12-2021, 21:19   #4
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Awesome will definitely check it out thank you
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Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Derrick.
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Re: Anyone familiar with a Havis 33? Very rare can't find anything

Following Taiwan boats' histories, butterfly hatches like that often leak; "black iron" fuel tanks rust out; deck teak fasteners leak, may be over ply, in which case there may be rot under it, as well as leaks.

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Following Taiwan boats' histories, butterfly hatches like that often leak; "black iron" fuel tanks rust out; deck teak fasteners leak, may be over ply, in which case there may be rot under it, as well as leaks.

Sorry.

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Agree with what you say but it always irks me that people refer to mild steel fuel tanks as "black iron". No pleasure craft has ever been built with iron fuel tanks and I've been unable (years of searching) to ever find any evidence of iron tanks being used for diesel.
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Agree with what you say but it always irks me that people refer to mild steel fuel tanks as "black iron". No pleasure craft has ever been built with iron fuel tanks and I've been unable (years of searching) to ever find any evidence of iron tanks being used for diesel.
Interesting point, BP! I have quietly wondered just what the hell "black iron" really was for years, but was embarrassed to admit my ignorance. I thought everyone else knew!

I suspect that it means wrought iron plate, and that would imply riveted seams (I think)... not a likely prospect in this day, or even fifty years back.

I remember seeing an old square rigger being refurbished in Sydney harbour some years ago (possibly the James Craig). They were renewing some of the riveted hull plating... but not so much of it. Most of that iron hull was still serviceable after a century or so of neglect. Try that with carbon steel!

Anyhow, thanks for bringing up the subject. Perhaps some knowledgeable person will step up and enlighten me.

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There is definitely some work to be done but I'm not sorry it's a very well built boat and seems like every boat has there downsides, I take it you have experience owning one?
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Thanks man
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Interesting point, BP! I have quietly wondered just what the hell "black iron" really was for years, but was embarrassed to admit my ignorance. I thought everyone else knew!

I suspect that it means wrought iron plate, and that would imply riveted seams (I think)... not a likely prospect in this day, or even fifty years back.

I remember seeing an old square rigger being refurbished in Sydney harbour some years ago (possibly the James Craig). They were renewing some of the riveted hull plating... but not so much of it. Most of that iron hull was still serviceable after a century or so of neglect. Try that with carbon steel!

Anyhow, thanks for bringing up the subject. Perhaps some knowledgeable person will step up and enlighten me.

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Like "electrolysis" and "osmosis", "black iron" is just a cool sounding term that docktalkers have glommed onto.

On "electrolysis" and "osmosis" all one has to do is research the scientific meaning of these words to expose the mythology. A little research on the term "black iron" will reveal that it's an old (very old) plumbing slang term to differentiate between galvanized steel pipe and raw steel pipe based on colour but has no real meaning in metallurgical terms.
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Owned her for a few months now but there seems to be no information at all on her. The closest boat that matches her is a young sun 35. She was built in 1981.
Hi Derrick,
If you've got the registration handy, what does it say it is, as a manufacturer.
Reason, we have a Cal 2-29,yet the Manufacturer is Jjensan Yachts.
Confuses some.
Or mine, It's a Mariner, built by Oberly Yachts.

Most likely it's mentioned on that, along with the year.

You may look on board for a documented vessel placard, ii may have been documented at one time, and like My Vessel can be researched by that number, thru a Doc.Vessel search.

I've only found, via Google, a vessel named Havis Amanda.
Sailboat data threw me to a Viking 33, but it looks nothing like it.

Looking like A Taiwan hull, it's got a classic Edson Ped, I'm betting it some cutter design made in the US. Possibly an Ericson.

You mention your in Washington, we're neighbors, I'm in Olympia.

Long shot, take a look around for brand logos, or stamps on hardware, looking for items commonly installed on production boats, maybe English, Asian, American, logos may give some info away.

Also, engine may be OEM, so what is the engine make.
Just a thought.
Got a sprit, is it a cutter?
Nice design though.
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Owned her for a few months now but there seems to be no information at all on her. The closest boat that matches her is a young sun 35. She was built in 1981.
Gosh, got to looking at Han Christan designs , that's an added on coach roof, maybe HC 33 cutter.
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I think this is a Hans Christian 33 under another name.
The designer's name is Harwood Ives (hence HAVIS?).
This from Wipedia on the HC 33.

"The design was initially built by*Hans Christian Yachts*at the*Hansa Yachts Und Shifbau*yard in*Taiwan. Production then passed in 1987 to the*Shing Fa Boatbuilding Company, also in Taiwan. Disagreements with several boat building yards resulted in some of the completed boats being sold under various other names.*"
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She's a nice looking boat!
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