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Old 21-01-2025, 16:39   #1
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Any thoughts on Cheoy Lee 63 MS?

I am looking for a blue water both that has 4 comfortable cabins. I know catamarans are on the radar, but I am also considering a large Monohull.

Anyone have any real world experience or opinions on the big Cheoy Lee Motorsailers? Here is the one that has caught my eye.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/198...ee-63-9603716/
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Re: Any thoughts on Cheoy Lee 63 MS?

A buddy of mine has one. My wife and I were line handlers when he went through the Panama Canal. Nice boat. Big! Big engine room, lots of space. Roomy quarters. Seemed extremely well put together. That said, after 6 or 7 years in the Pacific, they have put a fortune in it. If you are thinking about doing LONG passage making, it would be a great boat. They have made several 18-20+ day passages, just the two of them in "relative comfort".
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That is very helpful. Do you remember the name of their boat? How does it sail?
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Re: Any thoughts on Cheoy Lee 63 MS?

Ledfoot, quite a little ship you are looking at.
I never been on on of these, but only its little sister, the 43 MS. That sailed poorly, i must say; sails were old and baggy, and it had hydraulic in mast furling. But for cruising that 43MS boat would be OK, similar principle as the one you are looking at, canoe stern, large engine and large tankage, well built.

some comments on the ad
The yachtworld ad did not mention displacement, I guess around 35 ton?
Hmmm, still, there are 420 horses to push that, more than plenty.
I note in the ad that the engine hours are vastly different, port and SB. Do you know the reason for that?

I see 2 large deck storage boxes. Is there not enough storage below decks? Or a lot of toys?

The ad does not list the condition of the sails.

I do not know the type of radar, but it looks a very old model.

As a comparison, here is a smaller Cheoy Lee MS for sale, 52 ft, in NZ, for less $$.
https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for...rsailer/322600
Note, i do not know the broker or the owner of that, just saw that ad a few weeks ago
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Re: Any thoughts on Cheoy Lee 63 MS?

Ledfoot.

I have a 52MS, so many similarities. Cheoy Lee motorsailers are big, heavy, built like tanks and pretty capable. In the boatyard they coined our boat 'the icebreaker'. Ours has gone 1/2 way around the world - others have circumnavigated. Assuming the maintenance is ok you could hop in that and go anywhere.

They are motorsailers though so you will not win any regattas, but they have the tankage you can cross oceans motorsailing anyway. On our boat anything under 15 knots we motorsail. Lots of room. High freeboard so you need ladders for swimming and dinghy access. About as different from a catamaran as you can get!


If I could swing it I would buy that one. As per the other poster that is quite a ship. The price is very attractive being hundreds of thousands less that sister ships. I would check condition carefully to understand the reason.


Good luck. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions.
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Old 22-01-2025, 11:06   #6
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We have the identical stair set on the port side. It is a very very nice stair but it takes two sets of hands to deploy and retract.
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Also, our Irwin is 40 ton so I’m guessing this motor sailor is more.
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Old 22-01-2025, 12:26   #8
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A snip from a prior MS63 for sale:


'Her high bow, full keel and nearly 100,000lb. displacement contribute to an exceptionally comfortable and dry ride in virtually all sea conditions.'
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Our 52 is rated at 68,000 lb, and ready for cruising she is 70,000 lb
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Ledfoot.

I have a 52MS, so many similarities. Cheoy Lee motorsailers are big, heavy, built like tanks and pretty capable. In the boatyard they coined our boat 'the icebreaker'. Ours has gone 1/2 way around the world - others have circumnavigated. Assuming the maintenance is ok you could hop in that and go anywhere.

They are motorsailers though so you will not win any regattas, but they have the tankage you can cross oceans motorsailing anyway. On our boat anything under 15 knots we motorsail. Lots of room. High freeboard so you need ladders for swimming and dinghy access. About as different from a catamaran as you can get!


If I could swing it I would buy that one. As per the other poster that is quite a ship. The price is very attractive being hundreds of thousands less that sister ships. I would check condition carefully to understand the reason.


Good luck. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions.
Thanks. I have a copy of a survey from a couple of years ago and the biggest issue seems to be blisters on the hull. It is unclear whether these have been repaired or not. My biggest questions is how they sail. I know it is not going to be a speedster, but I don't want to be motoring all the time.
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Also, our Irwin is 40 ton so I’m guessing this motor sailor is more.
Thanks Chris. The other one on our radar is this Irwin 68. This is an old ad. It is in the mid 300's.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/98165
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Thanks Chris. The other one on our radar is this Irwin 68. This is an old ad. It is in the mid 300's.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/98165
Nice ship! Essentially the same at our 65 but with a stretched lazerette aft to make room for a hot tub on the back porch.

We have a YouTube channel that includes a walk through if you’re interested.
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Nice ship! Essentially the same at our 65 but with a stretched lazerette aft to make room for a hot tub on the back porch.

We have a YouTube channel that includes a walk through if you’re interested.
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I love your channel https://www.youtube.com/c/SailingBluePearl

How much of time do you spend motoring vs. sailing?
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Re: Any thoughts on Cheoy Lee 63 MS?

Thank you! The YouTube channel is my wife’s baby and we wouldn’t have these memories to look back at if it weren’t for her efforts!

WRT motoring, we make every effort to sail wherever we go. But we do need somewhere in the neighborhood of eight knots of wind to sail her. Less than that we’ll usually try to motor sail.

She’s a big girl with total sail area right around 2500 sf after a recent 200 sf trim off the Genoa. So we’ve seen hull speed when the wind is on or slightly abaft the beam.

Motoring-wise. With our 135 hp Perkins 6.3544M swinging a 26” three-bladed prop, she does 7+ knots @1800 RPM. More rpm than that and the auto pilot doesn’t like the uneven load on the starboard side of the rudder.

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Picking numbers from an ad for a CL63MS sister ship it states 1455 sq ft of sail (I would have thought more). Assuming a 90,000 displacement (being generous on the 'almost 100,000' displacement comment) then the SA/D ratio is only 11.68 by my calcs. Not sparkling sailing performance. Maybe a number you can benchmark against other boats?


https://wavetrain.net/2011/03/17/cru...acement-ratio/
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Picking numbers from an ad for a CL63MS sister ship it states 1455 sq ft of sail (I would have thought more). Assuming a 90,000 displacement (being generous on the 'almost 100,000' displacement comment) then the SA/D ratio is only 11.68 by my calcs. Not sparkling sailing performance. Maybe a number you can benchmark against other boats?


https://wavetrain.net/2011/03/17/cru...acement-ratio/
Thanks. She is for sure a battleship, not a racer!
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