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Old 05-11-2019, 09:04   #1
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any information on final selling prices of Bruce Roberts yachts?

Hi guys,



I know, the diskussion about asking and selling price can be endless.
Thus I am only asking about the BR Designs


Can anyone - maybe via pn if wanted - indicate how sales of these yachts can be put in numbers?


Some love them, many worry about the builders comptences and some beauties sit on the hard for years to find a buyer.


Some are priced ridiculously low - some like jewels.

I do like them for many reasons if built well. One reason is the grade of individualism that can be found. every boat has so many genious ideas build in and most of them come with terrible compromises as well...
the challange is to find the least terrible



Anyone here sold one or knows hard facts?
size 40-50ft (LOD)
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:22   #2
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Re: any information on final selling prices of Bruce Roberts yachts?

no one? in 4 days...?

not even one short comment?


interesting - and a "pitty". Any other item - cars.. or better to anything listet by ebay or craigslist ... is way more transparent und fast selling.
cars - days or weeks, ebay stuff: days..


In contrast the average selling time for boats is around one year! taken into account that some "cheap deals" are done really fast, some boats with an owners phantasy price burden wait for several years to be sold.



I see and hear frustrated sellers everywhere who dont know how to price their boats right and see their beloved "girl" not been enjoyed by a new handsom sailor but sitting and loosing value by anual berthcost and decay.


I see frustrated buyers who want to fulfill their dream NOW but find their dreamboats priced completely off market, "forcing" buyers to wait and search.


Why is it impossible for the yacht market for years allready to be more transparent and more liquid? Boats changing owner within 12 Weeks and not 12 Month?


There is a very bad side effect to this!:
Buyers, experiencing the intransparency of the market and the difficulty in price setting tend to make their purchase more "liquid". They wanna get rid of the boat one day fast and easy. And thus they are buying more and more "standard" boats "generally exepted" - - ignoring the "underdogs".

But those "underdogs" is what makes the boating scene so colorful and great.

cars look all the same. totally boring. but mostly due to regulations. the ship market seems to tend into the same direction. but due to buyers anxiety of pricing by "dice".
the only ones who have some insight are the brokers which makes purchasing a boat even more expensive. The whole process of buying a boat is unbelievable inefficient compared to the cars market.



I think it would be a better world for sellers and buyers if prices would be more transparent.
but... that seems to be a naive hope.
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Re: any information on final selling prices of Bruce Roberts yachts?

If I were selling, I would be offering to charter my "peculiar" one-off homebuild with builder/owner on board as a way to easy many anxieties.
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A very vague idea: is the new boat industry pushing the irrelevant price level of the second hand market to their advantage???


Imagine: a guy walks into a boat show. he likes the vessel. Cost: 300.000k
He tells the salesman: "your price is ridiculous". Salesman says: "dont worry - your boat will yield great resale values offsetting the initial investment."

the guy is "smart". he walks home, checks the second hand listings and wounders:
"wow - that boat still sells for 200.000€ after 15 years of use!? that seems to be the amount It did cost new 15 years ago... ". He goes back to the salesman and pays 300k.
He does NOT KNOW that the poor guy trying to sell for 200.000 was told the same thing about the resale value 15 years ago. And he does not know that the poor guy will sell his boat in 2 years from now - completely frustrated - for 85k.


At the same time there is a guy who is willing to pay 110k for the used boat. but as 200k are too much he does not purchase his dream boat but something else. if the used seller would not have been misled by the salesman, he might have gotten 25k more - 2 years earlier. without incuring cost of 2 years.


If all that is more or less right, than "we" - "the sailores" are all very bad merchants!
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Re: any information on final selling prices of Bruce Roberts yachts?

Pretty much impossible to make some blanket statement about BR designs, pricing, quality and such as they are built by so many different people and companies.



As you mentioned, they are designers not builders. Many, many are homebuilt or custom one off construction. Those that are built by professional boat yards vary in quality depending on which yard.
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Re: any information on final selling prices of Bruce Roberts yachts?

You will get a much better idea of the answer to your question if you phrase the question to focus on a more specific boat brand or model, for example Swan or Hallberg Rassy or Hunter or Beneteau. Then you can realistically compare new to used price.


I can give you one specific example on my own boat. Pearson 422s in decent condition sell for $80-$90,000. I found the original invoice from Pearson to the PO of my Pearson. He did get a discount over list price since the boat was only almost new, repo 4-5 months old. PO paid $75,000 in 1984.
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Re: any information on final selling prices of Bruce Roberts yachts?

By the way, if you're trying to buy a boat based on resale value or any other financial return or payback you are going at it the wrong way. I buy boats with the idea that I may get back nothing for the boat. Anything more than nothing is all gravy.
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Sorry...to clearify...i am talking absolut Used boats.

If you calculate The boat to Be worth nothing in the end then asking prices are even more over the Top.....
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Boats are slightly worse investments than burning your money to make s'mores. Maybe a little more than slightly worse.
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Boats are slightly worse investments than burning your money to make s'mores. Maybe a little more than slightly worse.


Agreed...at least if you burn your money to make smores the loss stops eventually.

The best advice I ever heeded regarding boats is, never spend more than you are willing to loose. It ain't an investment my friend, it is a liability.
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Sorry...to clearify...i am talking absolut Used boats.
Sorry but not clear what you mean by absolut Used boats. Is that a builder that uses Bruce Roberts plans to build boats? Or do you mean just any used boat that is listed as a Bruce Roberts? Again, Bruce Roberts does not and never did build a boat. Most Bruce Roberts are either home built by the boater or custom built by a yard to order from a boater.





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If you calculate The boat to Be worth nothing in the end then asking prices are even more over the Top.....

Well boating is an expensive hobby. You can minimize the costs by getting an old, run down boat and spending months or years fixing it up but that only saves money if you figure your time and labor at $0.00/hour.



If you're looking for a cheap hobby then hiking and camping might be a better option. Have you never heard the meaning of BOAT? Bring Out Another Thousand. Told as a joke but there's much truth in that.
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I think it would be a better world for sellers and buyers if prices would be more transparent.
but... that seems to be a naive hope.

Bruce is a very nice and active person. His projects such as Spray or Voyager are very interesting. But apparently the consumer has changed requests. And now the buyer wants to see a more modern version of the interior, standardization and description of devices and systems and to know that what is in the boat corresponds to the project. IMO, unfortunately, most of Bruce’s projects are just a hull. And the internal content such as locations, models, and parameters system is the product of own creativity and understanding of shipbuilding standards from each new owner.
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Re: any information on final selling prices of Bruce Roberts yachts?

Sorry...my German spellcheck sometimes produces dump words.

I meant "about used boats" not absolut used...

Despite that...i was talking about harmful economic inefficiencies in an industry in general...
The recommendation to view boat prices aa total loss dies not get the point.

Even if everybody would be Willing to pay what he can accept as a total loss...overprice asking prices would hinder tuge transactions because they are higher than the buyers budget. Over years
Falling prices have also nothing to do with a total loss philosophie.
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If you're looking for a cheap hobby then hiking and camping might be a better option. Have you never heard the meaning of BOAT? Bring Out Another Thousand. Told as a joke but there's much truth in that.

I always thought it meant Best Of All Times
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