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30-11-2016, 17:10
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
Don C L,
She has a 1983 Johnson Sailmaster 7.5 hp outboard. It appeared to have been lent out to others for temporary use as it had received a coat of anti-fouling paint on the lower half and showed some wear. I was able to clean it up and she runs beautifully.
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30-11-2016, 17:28
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#62
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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30-11-2016, 17:28
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#63
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
Crazy,
My first boat was an S2 8.0. I learned a lot with her. The previous owner used her as a party condo. After 5 years, I sold her for a little more than I paid for her. A new main sail was purchased, along with a lot of scrubbing & waxing to get her back into shape. I recently purchased a Catalina 380 for a liveaboard cruiser.
Look around, and keep an open mind shopping. Give yourself some space to relax on the weekend trips.
Good luck!
Mike
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30-11-2016, 19:29
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
I think for your goals and plans, I would suggest you focus less on a specific brand and make and instead focus on finding a good deal from a variety of reasonable choices. You can get a very nice boat under 30 feet for under 10 grand if you aren't in a hurry and aren't choosy about a specific name in front of it.
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01-12-2016, 02:13
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Originally Posted by jrau18
II would suggest you focus less on a specific brand and make and instead focus on finding a good deal from a variety of reasonable choices.
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Excellent advice. As with buying an old car, condition is all.
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01-12-2016, 05:51
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate
Crazy Talk, once you mentioned that your wife would have to like it, for me the whole picture changed. Now, what I think is that if you want her to be part of this, first off, you'll want to involve her in the whole process from the very beginning. Based on years of experience, I would say that women who enjoy out of doors, physical sports are the ones who take most easily to sailing, and if it's just the two of you, my thought is that you learn on something like a Catalina 22. It will be fun, and more suited to your ages than a tiny racing dinghy, unless you really love swimming, too. It is what my husband, Jim learned on, with his first wife, although he had a smaller boat before that. They not only sailed, but raced and weekended on it It would be the learner boat, for sure, and possibly not the platform for learning about keel boats that you had in mind, but, it would firm up for her what her bottom line in amenities is, and that is good to know, and may make things easier on the pocketbook later on.
If you start with the Catalina 30, it will set the minimum amenities bar much higher, and will inform all future choices.
The most important part of this message is that you have to help her make it fun for her if you want her to go with you. It does not feel like fun to most women to have to take care of their menfolk in cramped quarters that are sometimes leaping about. She will need to have a source of pleasure of her own to keep her involved. What will help is you helping with the domestic chores, and allowing her equal access to all the boat processes.
I suggest separate sailing lessons from a local yacht club, her being taught by female instructors, for building her confidence. She will want to become a good sailor, and to not feel inferior to you. You need the skills, too.
If she is not outdoorsy, you'll be talking to some of the guys here who have wives who are pretty much non participants, and they know more about those kinds of women than I do.
You really could start with any trailer sailer for this plan.
Ann
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Ann, thanks for the input. I've enjoyed reading your posts through a number of these threads because I hear some of my wife in the words you write.
When I started, she wanted to learn as well. Our first class was supposed to be together but it turned out her job got in the way and I took it without her. She has since started but in hind site it actually is working out well, maybe even better than if we were taking them together.
Boat buying, or any complex buying process is on me. I get into the minutiae, the details, the relationships between one system and another. She just wants what works and knows I will do the research. Then we talk and make a decision. She's just not into the process.
And I'm used to the chores. My job allows me flexibility and at home time while hers not nearly so. That means I do all the cooking, shopping, laundry, and a chunk of cleaning. She pays the bills and cleans bathrooms. I guess what I'm saying is I'm no stranger to domestic chores which I assume would hold true on a boat.
I doing know how either of us will hold up long-term on a boat. I could live in a cave so I'm not too concerned. And she'll decide for herself as well. This is somewhat experimental and we'll see where it leads.
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01-12-2016, 05:53
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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I have found that if you want your wife...or ANY female to sail with you, you had better have a pretty nice head with some privacy.
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That is high on the priority list for the next one.
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01-12-2016, 05:58
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Check out the 18' Cape Dory Typhoon. It has a keel, but is small enough that if you make a change to rudder or sails, you immediately notice it, and you are not going to tip it over. You could keep it in a slip.
Glad to see a Cape Dory finally mentioned. I have never sailed before and just bought my first boat, a 1985 Cape Dory 25. I paid well under your limit of $10k. I consider myself very fortunate as even though she is 31 years old she has never been in the water. That's right, still sitting in her original cradle from Taunton Mass. The cushions are still in their original plastic, the sails are still pristine in their original bags, the standing rigging has never been stressed nor the chain plates. She is like a brand new "Old" boat. I bought her because of their reputation as a very strong, stable and forgiving boat to learn on. She has great classic lines and style. I don't know much about the Typhoon except it appears to be the same boat only smaller and perhaps more versatile. BTW I'm just south of you on the Northeast River of the Chesapeake.
Best of luck,
Ted
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That's an amazing find! I search that area all the time. Tons of boats in that area and I hope to do some exploring there with mine.
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01-12-2016, 06:03
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Originally Posted by MitchM
there was nice Cal 29 for sale out of RCR yachts Erie brokerage , very reasonable price, originally came out of the chesapeake. nicely maintained. and you could sail it there yourself this spring and save $$$ in delivery costs.
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Thanks, I'll take a look. I did see some advice about buying a great Lakes boat because of the shorter season, less wear and tear and sun exposure. That's definitely in the plan for the next one.
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01-12-2016, 06:06
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Originally Posted by Summitfun
Crazy,
My first boat was an S2 8.0. I learned a lot with her. The previous owner used her as a party condo. After 5 years, I sold her for a little more than I paid for her. A new main sail was purchased, along with a lot of scrubbing & waxing to get her back into shape. I recently purchased a Catalina 380 for a liveaboard cruiser.
Look around, and keep an open mind shopping. Give yourself some space to relax on the weekend trips.
Good luck!
Mike
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I'm hoping for the same experience. Little bit of money and elbow grease, alot of enjoyment.
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01-12-2016, 06:11
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Originally Posted by jrau18
You can get a very nice boat under 30 feet for under 10 grand if you aren't in a hurry and aren't choosy about a specific name in front of it.
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That's what I'm hoping for. First priority is a good boat, one I can enjoy with the family, and spend alot more time sailing than maintaining.
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05-01-2017, 14:22
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Originally Posted by TwoLegged
I know that this is an unfashionable answer, but I suggest starting with a reasonably fast racing dinghy, and sailing the hell out of it. Race it, play with, take it out in all weathers.
The advantage of a dinghy is that it provides much more direct and immediate feedback, and is less forgiving of errors. You can find its limits much more easily than with a keelboat, and you can learn much more, much faster than in a more sedate boat.
You don't need a fancy dinghy. Buy an old one, with tired sails and a battered hull, and use it lots.
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I appreciate all the great advice I've gotten on this thread. Two-legged, I've decided to take your advice and start with a dinghy.
Weighing the pros and cons, expense, amount of sail time, learning curve, I think its a great option right now.
So maybe unfashionable, but I'm diggin' it.
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05-01-2017, 14:48
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Originally Posted by Crazy Talk
I appreciate all the great advice I've gotten on this thread. Two-legged, I've decided to take your advice and start with a dinghy.
Weighing the pros and cons, expense, amount of sail time, learning curve, I think its a great option right now.
So maybe unfashionable, but I'm diggin' it.
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Unfashionable? No.
Smart.
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05-01-2017, 15:49
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#74
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
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Originally Posted by Don C L
Unfashionable? No.
Smart.
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Definitely agree. This is how many of us got our start in sailing. When I moved from dinghies to keel boats, the lessons I had learned served me well.
Nothing wrong with going straight to bigger boats, but there is more to learn all at once that way.
Good luck to the OP and welcome to the world of sailing.
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06-01-2017, 00:04
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Re: Another first boat question. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres inside
Good decision, Crazy Talk, the most excitement [pleasure] for the buck, and what you and your good lady learn will serve you well in times to come.
Ann
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