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Old 06-09-2020, 09:53   #31
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Re: Advice requested on these 4 blue water yachts for a circumnavigation

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Old 06-09-2020, 11:33   #32
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Of course I can fully agree and add the Dutch built boats. but Danish and Swedish are also just fine!

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Old 19-02-2021, 08:30   #33
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Hello Svenkei an hello to all other cruisers,

I wonder if you had the opportunity to visit the Motiva and what the results have been.
thanks indeed
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Old 21-02-2021, 05:01   #34
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Hi "cumulant38f",

Welcome to the community and thanks for the timely question. I have indeed visited both yachts (a 39S and 42 Ketch). Both Motiva's but in many ways very different yachts.

Overal I am impressed by the build quality. The steel is in very good condition inside and out. Woodwork and joinery shows craftmanship. Only point of attention is de wooden toe rail. Wood on steel requires constant attention. I think I would replace it by a steel rail as well.
I love the pilot house, it is a feature I personally really like and got me to look into Motiva's in the first place. The added benefit is space for a sizeable engine room below the pilot house.
The layout of the yacht offers room for 4 full time cruisers with capacity for more if temporary needed. Most requirements for creature comforts while cruising are available including 1000L water, 1000L diesel and ample storage space. All areas in the yacht have standing headroom (~2m). This vertical clearance does result in more freeboard particularly near the stern although I do not think it is extensive. Vertical clearance also means that the center cockpit is positioned somewhat higher up than seen on most yachts. I hope it does not result in too much uncomfortable motion.
The thing people should be aware of with Motiva's is the not so spacious "feel" of the yachts interior. The combination of a pilot house and center cockpit results in a clear compartmentalization. Combined with a somewhat conservative beam (~3.6m) results in a layout that is far from the spacious interiors found on modern wide beam full length cruisers. For example, there are two smaller salon settees, one in the pilot house and one in the galley area, instead of one large one as seen on most yachts. They still seat 4 persons comfortably though. This really is a personal preference and I am quite happy with it. The interior on the other hand is bluewater friendly, always something to brace yourself agains or grab a hold of.

Strong rig on both yachts. I have a slight preference for a single mast setup but I could not come to an agreement with the owners of the 39S. So, I am about to close the deal on the 42 Ketch instead. Much looking forward to it.

Do you have an interest in Motiva's? Judging your screen name you are from Europe and most likely from the Netherlands like me. I am curious to learn more ...
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Old 21-02-2021, 07:33   #35
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Thank you for the precise information!
I am located in the south of Germany. Years ago we had a HJB Cumulant38, with witch we were very happy. Of course we had to learn what it means to own an older steel boat . Now after kids leaving and work coming to an end it is boating time again.
So yes, I am interested in the motiva yachts, found the add of the 39S and shortly after your threat. The boat with it's strength,Rigg, pilothouse and tank capacities would fit as we target the north.
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Great cumulant38f, it's never to late to go cruising again!
Send me a PM and I might be able to tell you more about the 39S.
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Are there any issues to look out for on HR’s or any boats that have had their teak removed? Or is this a fairly non-invasive procedure?
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