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Old 24-08-2021, 08:40   #31
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Thanks. Someone else mentioned the Dufour and I looked at this listing. It does seem to meet the main requirements, however, I'm uncertain of the quality of the build. Many years back Dufours had a pretty good reputation but reading reviews and comments on recent models that may not be the case.

Since future plans include more than day trips and coastal cruises I would be very interested in any comments or opinions about the quality of the Dufours. Also, the all white fiberglass interior isn't too appealing esthetically.
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Thanks. Someone else mentioned the Dufour and I looked at this listing. It does seem to meet the main requirements, however, I'm uncertain of the quality of the build. Many years back Dufours had a pretty good reputation but reading reviews and comments on recent models that may not be the case.

Since future plans include more than day trips and coastal cruises I would be very interested in any comments or opinions about the quality of the Dufours. Also, the all white fiberglass interior isn't too appealing esthetically.
Actually, I think the boat is Butt-Ugly
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Old 24-08-2021, 08:47   #33
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I hear what you are saying. Boating is great, but sometimes the exposure that comes with it is not.

A couple come to mind, but the budget doesn't work for you (or me ...).
But have you looked at a Beneteau Sense 50? It is sort of the monohull answer to a catamaran - cockpit level is pretty well saloon level, and there are some big hull windows to boot.

Also, don't disregard the cockpit. The Sense comes with a big arch that the dodger and bimini link to. A decent canvas shop can make you roll-down, zip-up screens that let the breeze through, while attenuating the UV-C dramatically, turning the big, wide cockpit of the Sense, into an outdoor room (we have an Oceanis 50, that we are having this done on).

https://www.beneteau.com/en/sense/sense-50

Watch the video if you don't know the boat - it may work for you.

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Was planning to check out some of the Beneteau line. A couple of years ago I docked next to some model Beneteau (they seem to have so many different models) that was around 50 and noticed when I walked by on the dock that it had large windows with a panoramic view into the salon. At the time didn't consider the angles and whether or not the view out was also as good.

Will check out the Sense. Thanks
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It's pretty clear from the photos of this boat, as beautiful as it is, that someone sitting in the cabin or standing in the galley, won't be able to see out those nice big windows.

In my opinion, any boat in which one must go down three or four steps into the cabin will not meet the OP's requirement.
This is generally the case and one thing that has made the search more difficult. See lots of boats with DS or pilothouse layouts but from below you have to stand to see out and in some cases even standing up the windows can be too high.

But I have seen a couple where the table and seating is a step or two higher than the rest of the main cabin which then allows you to sit and see out. Not clear if that is the case with the Tartan or not but I think not from what I can see in the photos.
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Thanks. Someone else mentioned the Dufour and I looked at this listing. It does seem to meet the main requirements, however, I'm uncertain of the quality of the build. Many years back Dufours had a pretty good reputation but reading reviews and comments on recent models that may not be the case.

Since future plans include more than day trips and coastal cruises I would be very interested in any comments or opinions about the quality of the Dufours. Also, the all white fiberglass interior isn't too appealing esthetically.
These were designed for charter boats. So likely great for coastal. Don't forget all of that white can be painted.

Although not the prettiest, seems darn functional.
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These were designed for charter boats. So likely great for coastal.
And that is indeed my concern. Now I'm mostly retired I plan at the very least Bermuda (when Covid restrictions are eased) and if I can manage, Europe and the Med.

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Don't forget all of that white can be painted.
Although not the prettiest, seems darn functional.
Well let me put the emphasis on all fiberglass vs white. Mostly white interior with wood trim and highlights is actually a classic boat interior look but the inside of the Dufour in the photos looks like the inside of a prefab shower stall. Not sure if I can live with that long term.
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Actually, I think the boat is Butt-Ugly
Well I can't disagree but at this point I'm trying to force myself into the mindset that function is beauty.

If no other options present I might have to sacrifice looks for a boat that will solve the sun exposure problem.
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Question: does anyone make UV protective glass or soft windows?

I have a bit of experience with UV clear plastic for protecting artworks. The plastic has be replaced every 10 years or so. Maybe a peel off coating for the cabin windows by the view points?

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Have looked into this issue just a little. Real glass stops UVB but not UVA unless treated or laminated with a UVA absorber.

The clear vinyl panels in dodgers and boat tops also seems to block UV. One brand, Strataglass claims to block 70% UVA and 100% UVB but I think all clear vinyl gets yellow and stiff with age.
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Re: A room (or boat) with a view

A long time ago, we had some friends with a Westsail 42. Not a sparkling performer, but it did have a raised dinette with view to the outside, on the port side. It was also an aft cabin type of boat, if you like that. Two heads. They kept a spare anchor in the aft head. Funny the stuff one remembers. ....I really couldn't offer it up to someone who really wants a good light air boat, but maybe with really well thought out sails?????

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These were designed for charter boats. So likely great for coastal. Don't forget all of that white can be painted.

Although not the prettiest, seems darn functional.
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Well let me put the emphasis on all fiberglass vs white. Mostly white interior with wood trim and highlights is actually a classic boat interior look but the inside of the Dufour in the photos looks like the inside of a prefab shower stall. Not sure if I can live with that long term.
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Well I can't disagree but at this point I'm trying to force myself into the mindset that function is beauty.

If no other options present I might have to sacrifice looks for a boat that will solve the sun exposure problem.
I think from an exterior point of view the Dufour Atoll 6 (https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/200...cabin-3698174/) looks sufficiently ok - for the type of boat it is - as described "'monomaran'... having the features that people like in a catamaran, in a monohull", and in general as a deck salon / pilothouse type design it really doesn't look too bad.

Also it seems to hit almost ALL of the requests in your OP, which almost all of the other various boats do not.

The only other boat posted that truly meets your requirements is the Moody DS, which is a good looking boat, but as you said at $500,000+ it's out of your budget of around $300,000.

I agree that the interior of Dufour Atoll 6, to use your words, "looks like the inside of a prefab shower stall..."

But at an asking price of USD $159,000 (for the boat posted for sail in VA, USA), negotiable I guess for this unusual boat, what about considering a full interior refit with the remainder of your budget (another 150,000 give or take) to 'normalise' the interior and modernise overall?

Some paint, vinyl wrap, trim, furnishings, sole, headliner, etc, could go a long way to changing the interior appearance and feel of the boat depending on what look you prefer.

There is also that huge hardtop ready for a vast amount of solar panels which is normally difficult to acheive on a monohull. And if you were to fit some dinghy davits as well then both more solar panels and additional sun protection could easily be extended further out to the transom too.

On this boat your wife could easily feel totally protected and safe from the sun and yet be comfortable up at deck level almost all of the time, part of the sailing and social life whether underway or at anchor.

Some UV blocking side curtains behind the cockpit seat coamings that can stay in place all the time would also be a useful addition for her.

And for cooler weather the deck salon could easily be fully enclosed and heated too without having to live down below like on most monohulls.

If you don't need quite so much accomodation, then for live aboard cruising some of the space could also possibly be better utilised for an office, nav station, workshop, storage, galley pantry, clothes wardrobe, etc, etc.

The Dufour was also available in the smaller Atoll 3 and 4 models too but I suspect the 50ft is the better boat overall for your purposes.

Also, no teak decks on those models, as requested.

Accepting the design aim of the Atoll 6 personally I see merit in the concept as well as enormous potential for further improvements as a private owner's boat rather a charter yacht.

Food for thought maybe?

PS: I've also seen them for closer to $100,000. Maybe those boats are tired after years of charter, but if you are going to refit everything maybe that's actually helpful? Here's a bunch of cheaper listings: https://boats.waa2.com/for-sale/dufour-atoll-50

Maybe steal some of the Moody DS ideas and incorporate them into the refit of the Atoll.
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I think from an exterior point of view the Dufour Atoll 6 (https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/200...cabin-3698174/) looks sufficiently ok - for the type of boat it is - as described "'monomaran'... having the features that people like in a catamaran, in a monohull", and in general as a deck salon / pilothouse type design it really doesn't look too bad.

Also it seems to hit almost ALL of the requests in your OP, which almost all of the other various boats do not.
Overall I agree that the Dufour meets the main requirement of a protected area with a view. In fact of all the monohulls I've found so far it seems to have the best.

While I don't love the look, there is that engineering side of me that says function is beauty. If the boat was otherwise perfect I could deal. At the price point there would be plenty left in the budget that I could try to do something to upgrade the interior.

What I have not been able to determine is the quality of the construction and suitability of the boat for crossing oceans. Most of the comments I've found online about new generation Dufours have been pretty negative. Apparently the original company did not do well and they have been purchased one or two times with the new owners cutting costs and quality to make a cheaper boat.

The Moody DS seems like a nice option but well over the budget. If I was going to bust the budget anyway and the wife would allow I really love the Nordship. https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...assic-3835134/ Now if I could just find one in the US for about half that price it could be the one.
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A long time ago, we had some friends with a Westsail 42. Not a sparkling performer, but it did have a raised dinette with view to the outside, on the port side. It was also an aft cabin type of boat, if you like that. Two heads. They kept a spare anchor in the aft head. Funny the stuff one remembers. ....I really couldn't offer it up to someone who really wants a good light air boat, but maybe with really well thought out sails?????

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Thanks Ann. Very interesting suggestion. Am aware of the WS42. I have two friends with WS32s and if I recall, Walter Cronkite owned a 42 many years ago. They also made a 43 which I think was the same hull as the 42 but aft cockpit.

Haven't looked at one of these for years but will do so now.
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It's pretty clear from the photos of this boat, as beautiful as it is, that someone sitting in the cabin or standing in the galley, won't be able to see out those nice big windows.

In my opinion, any boat in which one must go down three or four steps into the cabin will not meet the OP's requirement.
Well the Tartan was so lovely I had to call the broker to ask and yes, he confirmed that sitting at the dinette you can see the sky but not the water.

Oh well. Wonder if I could build a big raised section under the dinette. Would improve the view and give me a big storage area.
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You should consider the Moody (Hanse) 45DS.. a Bill Dixon design that sails very well and has a comfortable saloon with 360 visibility and a well sheltered cockpit.. the centre section slides back while sailing if you want to keep an eye on the Sail..
A very nice all round boat..
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You should consider the Moody (Hanse) 45DS.. a Bill Dixon design that sails very well and has a comfortable saloon with 360 visibility and a well sheltered cockpit.. the centre section slides back while sailing if you want to keep an eye on the Sail..
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Thanks. The Moody DS series, 41 and 45 are definitely on my list. Seem to fit the criteria for view and are also very well made boats.

But the 41 is relatively new so not many if any used on the market and new would fall into the category of choosing boat or wife.

The 45 I have found a few used ones but none within 5,000 Km of me, or at least none in my budget.

But I'm keeping that on my watch list.
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