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26-11-2014, 10:30
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S/V rubber ducky
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: heading "south"
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
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Originally Posted by a64pilot
I thought mono's flipped first, then sank?
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probably only sinks if you put a hole in it, otherwise it rolls back up
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26-11-2014, 10:36
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: New Orleans, LA
Boat: Catalina 30 Tall Rig
Posts: 234
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
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Originally Posted by impi
... the scenario of flipping would be more likely when the cat collides with a submerged object at speed in the 'right / wrong' conditions.
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or is equipped with a wing sail and hyrdofoiling capability...
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26-11-2014, 10:39
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Saint Pete vanoy marina
Boat: 2017 Jeanneau 519
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
no that's the correct sailing angle for that boat.. duhhh.
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26-11-2014, 11:18
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
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Originally Posted by blazeit420
what do you do when you get caught in rough weather? if you cant get away from it and have to ride it out how likely is your boat to flip?
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Simple Answer to Flipping:
Any boat can capsize, mono or multihull.
Some will recover. Some won't.
Even those that do recover from a capsize (e.g. monohulls) may be lost or abandoned because they take on some water and the crew thinks the boat is unsafe and sinking (an easy to reach conclusion if there is water sloshing around your ankles down below).
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26-11-2014, 11:38
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New Orleans
Boat: Bruce Roberts 44 Ofshore
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
It's actually pretty hard to flip a cat. The only problem is, it's even harder to unflip it.
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26-11-2014, 12:54
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
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Originally Posted by sailorboy1
probably only sinks if you put a hole in it, otherwise it rolls back up
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Too bad most come with a huge hole at the front of the cockpit around 2' x 4'.
(yeah in theory you can close the cabin off but that presumes a comptent crew and a competent crew on a cat will have reduced sail to the point, the cat isn't going to flip in anything a monohull will survive)
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26-11-2014, 19:24
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Join Date: Nov 2014
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
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Originally Posted by barnakiel
It gets rough and iffy for the smaller boat sooner. So get the bigger boat or stay in the flatter water.
But, as you said, what if one gets caught.
I say get a boat size that can handle whatever you expect and then learn to sail it in rough conditions. Most of the time it is not dangerous much as it can be thrilling the first couple of hours and then exhausting to the point where you wish you were elsewhere.
Get a good boat and learn to sail it in all sorts of weather. Then try to stay out of the worst. I guess.
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thank you.
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27-11-2014, 19:46
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Currently in the Caribbean
Boat: Cheoy Lee 47 CC
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
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Originally Posted by Steady Hand
Simple Answer to Flipping:
Any boat can capsize, mono or multihull.
Some will recover. Some won't.
Even those that do recover from a capsize (e.g. monohulls) may be lost or abandoned because they take on some water and the crew thinks the boat is unsafe and sinking (an easy to reach conclusion if there is water sloshing around your ankles down below).
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Fastest way to get water out of a boat? Hand a 5 gallon bucket to the most scared person on the boat. Works every time.
No bilge pump made will work that fast!
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28-11-2014, 06:58
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
anyone sailing without obtaining a weather report and watching out for changes kinda deserves what he gets.
learn about weather,
learn about boats
learn to sail
i think your question will be alswered by itself after or during the first sailing/boat handling course.
mebbe even the first day.
good luck and have fun.
in many years of sailing, i have yet to be CAUGHT in weather---except when i sailed with a guy who only checked noaa on vhf--lol every day was heavy weather sailing despite the predictions for light breezes and smooth seas.
keep a good eye on the seas and skies and you do not get CAUGHT in weather. is not something that changes without good advance notice
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03-12-2014, 13:55
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Join Date: Sep 2014
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A Question About Rough Weather
If you want some good advice with some actual experience behind it try Hal Roth's book "How to Sail Around the World". He talks about strategies, lying ahull, heaving to, running, how and when to reef, use of sea anchors and drogues,... Etc. I think it is a bit more up to date than Coles' book mentioned above, which is also interesting and useful.
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06-12-2014, 18:43
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: On the boat
Boat: Gulfstar 50
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
When the weather gets bad I start drinking heavily. It makes me smarter, braver, and more agile. Plus the monster seas become cute play things. My boat also becomes more seaworthy and my rig more stout.
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08-12-2014, 01:04
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: The Netherlands
Boat: Baltic 38DP
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
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Originally Posted by zeehag
anyone sailing without obtaining a weather report and watching out for changes kinda deserves what he gets.
learn about weather,
learn about boats
learn to sail
i think your question will be alswered by itself after or during the first sailing/boat handling course.
mebbe even the first day.
good luck and have fun.
in many years of sailing, i have yet to be CAUGHT in weather---except when i sailed with a guy who only checked noaa on vhf--lol every day was heavy weather sailing despite the predictions for light breezes and smooth seas.
keep a good eye on the seas and skies and you do not get CAUGHT in weather. is not something that changes without good advance notice
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All good and well for crossings of less than 3 days but if you're crossing oceans you WILL get caught in weather, and you can't outrun it. If you're prepared for it, it is only very rarely a real problem. But even very experienced skippers can get caught in dangerous seas. And the weather forecast is NOT always accurate.
Onno
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08-12-2014, 04:57
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Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
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Originally Posted by JazzyO
All good and well for crossings of less than 3 days but if you're crossing oceans you WILL get caught in weather, and you can't outrun it. If you're prepared for it, it is only very rarely a real problem. But even very experienced skippers can get caught in dangerous seas. And the weather forecast is NOT always accurate.
Onno
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This, and also avoiding:
- going out in an inadequate craft (too small, or too weak),
- going out on a schedule, in a recreational craft (charters, deliveries),
- etc.
Every year we witness a good number of rescues and accidents that need not have happened. People going in boats that are not up to the job, people going at times that are not within what is considered safe timing for a given passage.
I think bad weather / bad boat / bad mindset combination is the major source of leisure sailing accidents. Medical conditions will be probably far second.
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08-12-2014, 06:17
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
passage weather gives a few days of accurate weather and wind opar=tterns.
iff you sail in summer east coast or west, you will hit weather, yes. duh. especially when ye sail into hot water from cold.
named storms do not usually head to hawaii. they did this year. folks got "caught" after sailing out from oakland to hawaii in summer.
watch the models and the actual tracks of storms. we have a good many days (5-7) between seeing a first inkling of a storm and its eventuality and path.
if you do not know what to look for in the way of weather changes when you are sailing, then ye have no business out in the ocean. learn to read your environment so you can know what is going to be in front of you . is easy to see changes.
you just have to be aware of your surroundings
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08-12-2014, 13:48
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Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
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Re: A Question About Rough Weather
"folks got "caught" after sailing out from oakland to hawaii in summer."
For the OP, even those people, who left with hurricanes and tropical storms in Mexico that do often go towards Hawaii, left at the wrong time of the year for the trip, and still were rescued, they did not "flip." I think Zeehag's point above was that "caught" was a result of poor trip planning and of inadequate weather monitoring. There was time, in that instance, to heave to, for a couple of days, and wait and see what the weather systems would do. It is one reason to have backups for your backups in terms of acquiring weather information.
I also agree with the poster above who wrote that poor vessel, poor mindset, and schedules lead to many rescues.
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