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Old 18-03-2023, 19:19   #1
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A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued

Here's a link Jim found earlier today. It tells the story, second hand, about modern communications, and an often rumoured shortcoming of these boats. And, Latitude 38 will probably run a first hand account next month. https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic...-whale-pacific

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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued

Also being discussed here:

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ue-273910.html

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3758621
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued

Yes, thanks for that, Ryban.

From my pov, there isn't a lot of real data, yet, the prop strut, blaces broken off the prop, and the skeg, the source of some of the weakness reported with those boats, and the rudder. I honestly couldn't tell why they assumed it was a whale did it, but maybe they didn't know about the skeg problems reported with these boats. It really did seem as if it could have been the failure of a known weak spot, with subsequent damage because they were motoring when the skeg let go. But of course, I wasn't there. Damn scary incident, anyway. And, of course, unknown grounding history.

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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued

It could be a problem with the hull/skeg, but the Peterson's prop shaft goes through the hull and comes out in the skeg.
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/kelly-peterson-44
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued

Having now read some words about "known problems/issues" with the 44 skeg, can somebody fill me in on the specifics of it, and what is the practice to solve them.

Edit; Isn't one of our fellow forum members, (is it Gilow?,) who is rebuilding a 44, and I wonder if he is aware of any issues.
Perhaps additional roving/mat/cloth applied to the interface area of skeg and hull?
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Having now read some words about "known problems/issues" with the 44 skeg, can somebody fill me in on the specifics of it, and what is the practice to solve them.
Yeah I am curious about that too; I hadn't heard of that and haven't found anything written about it yet.
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Yes, thanks for that, Ryban.

From my pov, there isn't a lot of real data, yet, the prop strut, blaces broken off the prop, and the skeg, the source of some of the weakness reported with those boats, and the rudder. I honestly couldn't tell why they assumed it was a whale did it, but maybe they didn't know about the skeg problems reported with these boats. It really did seem as if it could have been the failure of a known weak spot, with subsequent damage because they were motoring when the skeg let go. But of course, I wasn't there. Damn scary incident, anyway. And, of course, unknown grounding history.

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The captain of the boat said they saw a pool of blood after the incident. IIRC I read that on screenshots of WhatsApp conversations on Facebook. I'll try to find them

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Yes, the blood would indicate a whale, sunfish, or something.

Yes, GILow is aware of the possible problem, from a post in a 7 yr old (or so) thread, where someone was asking for advice about how to address the issue. I saw that old thread about a week ago, the OP was wanting information about how to fix it somewhere exotic. I'll go see if I can find a link to it.

Here! https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...4-a-22764.html

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Yes, the blood would indicate a whale, sunfish, or something.

Yes, GILow is aware of the possible problem, from a post in a 7 yr old (or so) thread, where someone was asking for advice about how to address the issue. I saw that old thread about a week ago, the OP was wanting information about how to fix it somewhere exotic. I'll go see if I can find a link to it.

Here! https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...4-a-22764.html

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Good sleuthing Ann! But it looks like there was no confirmation of the skeg problem in the thread unless I missed it. Rudder maybe. I would think that anything hitting anyone's skeg could cause a skeg failure, BUT since the skeg on the Peterson is so integral to the hull and prop shaft, damage there will certainly be more consequential. Since I saw they mentioned a loud bang I would think they are talking about something hitting, or being hit by, the boat.
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued

You know, reading the skipper's account, I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't had that Leatherman knife in his pocket to cut the painter from the raft to the sinking boat!
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You know, reading the skipper's account, I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't had that Leatherman knife in his pocket to cut the painter from the raft to the sinking boat!
He also says that their painter was designed to snap before the raft would sink with the boat. Is that common on life rafts?

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He also says that their painter was designed to snap before the raft would sink with the boat. Is that common on life rafts?

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Boy, that is a tough call, getting the strength such that it parts when faced with the full buoyancy of the raft but holds when it jerks around in big seas. Many rafts have a knife as part of the supplied kit, but you have to know where it is, find it and access it whilst under severe stress... not a position I'd like to be in!

This is one of the flaws in the good ole "only step up into a life raft" theory. pretty good timing IMO!

Glad that we've never been in that situation! And won't be, cause we don't carry a life raft.

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I had been following this story and the communication has become so much more reliable. I keep on having this discussion with myself about what is it I would want when making these big passages.

With very good strong data connections the safety improves by 100 but it takes away the magic of beiing isolated for a long time. At the moment I feel making a balance between having a good EPIRB and making sure I can got some low speed data in and out would be sufficient.
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. . . I would think that anything hitting anyone's skeg could cause a skeg failure . . .

Inherent weak point on probably most boats with skeg rudders.
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