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A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
Here's a link Jim found earlier today. It tells the story, second hand, about modern communications, and an often rumoured shortcoming of these boats. And, Latitude 38 will probably run a first hand account next month. https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic...-whale-pacific
Ann
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23-03-2023, 11:21
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
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23-03-2023, 15:45
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
Yes, thanks for that, Ryban.
From my pov, there isn't a lot of real data, yet, the prop strut, blaces broken off the prop, and the skeg, the source of some of the weakness reported with those boats, and the rudder. I honestly couldn't tell why they assumed it was a whale did it, but maybe they didn't know about the skeg problems reported with these boats. It really did seem as if it could have been the failure of a known weak spot, with subsequent damage because they were motoring when the skeg let go. But of course, I wasn't there. Damn scary incident, anyway. And, of course, unknown grounding history.
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23-03-2023, 17:35
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
It could be a problem with the hull/skeg, but the Peterson's prop shaft goes through the hull and comes out in the skeg.
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/kelly-peterson-44
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23-03-2023, 17:48
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
Having now read some words about "known problems/issues" with the 44 skeg, can somebody fill me in on the specifics of it, and what is the practice to solve them.
Edit; Isn't one of our fellow forum members, (is it Gilow?,) who is rebuilding a 44, and I wonder if he is aware of any issues.
Perhaps additional roving/mat/cloth applied to the interface area of skeg and hull?
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23-03-2023, 17:55
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
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Originally Posted by Bowdrie
Having now read some words about "known problems/issues" with the 44 skeg, can somebody fill me in on the specifics of it, and what is the practice to solve them.
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Yeah I am curious about that too; I hadn't heard of that and haven't found anything written about it yet.
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23-03-2023, 19:11
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
Yes, thanks for that, Ryban.
From my pov, there isn't a lot of real data, yet, the prop strut, blaces broken off the prop, and the skeg, the source of some of the weakness reported with those boats, and the rudder. I honestly couldn't tell why they assumed it was a whale did it, but maybe they didn't know about the skeg problems reported with these boats. It really did seem as if it could have been the failure of a known weak spot, with subsequent damage because they were motoring when the skeg let go. But of course, I wasn't there. Damn scary incident, anyway. And, of course, unknown grounding history.
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The captain of the boat said they saw a pool of blood after the incident. IIRC I read that on screenshots of WhatsApp conversations on Facebook. I'll try to find them
Edit: it's here https://loosecannon.substack.com/p/w...1ut2bqbUl1lR30
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23-03-2023, 19:57
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
Yes, the blood would indicate a whale, sunfish, or something.
Yes, GILow is aware of the possible problem, from a post in a 7 yr old (or so) thread, where someone was asking for advice about how to address the issue. I saw that old thread about a week ago, the OP was wanting information about how to fix it somewhere exotic. I'll go see if I can find a link to it.
Here! https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...4-a-22764.html
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23-03-2023, 21:36
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
Yes, the blood would indicate a whale, sunfish, or something.
Yes, GILow is aware of the possible problem, from a post in a 7 yr old (or so) thread, where someone was asking for advice about how to address the issue. I saw that old thread about a week ago, the OP was wanting information about how to fix it somewhere exotic. I'll go see if I can find a link to it.
Here! https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...4-a-22764.html
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Good sleuthing Ann! But it looks like there was no confirmation of the skeg problem in the thread unless I missed it. Rudder maybe. I would think that anything hitting anyone's skeg could cause a skeg failure, BUT since the skeg on the Peterson is so integral to the hull and prop shaft, damage there will certainly be more consequential. Since I saw they mentioned a loud bang I would think they are talking about something hitting, or being hit by, the boat.
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23-03-2023, 21:42
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
You know, reading the skipper's account, I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't had that Leatherman knife in his pocket to cut the painter from the raft to the sinking boat!
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24-03-2023, 06:07
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
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You know, reading the skipper's account, I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't had that Leatherman knife in his pocket to cut the painter from the raft to the sinking boat!
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He also says that their painter was designed to snap before the raft would sink with the boat. Is that common on life rafts?
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24-03-2023, 15:16
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
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Originally Posted by LifesBetterWhenYoureBeating
He also says that their painter was designed to snap before the raft would sink with the boat. Is that common on life rafts?
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Boy, that is a tough call, getting the strength such that it parts when faced with the full buoyancy of the raft but holds when it jerks around in big seas. Many rafts have a knife as part of the supplied kit, but you have to know where it is, find it and access it whilst under severe stress... not a position I'd like to be in!
This is one of the flaws in the good ole "only step up into a life raft" theory. pretty good timing IMO!
Glad that we've never been in that situation! And won't be, cause we don't carry a life raft.
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01-05-2023, 03:49
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
I had been following this story and the communication has become so much more reliable. I keep on having this discussion with myself about what is it I would want when making these big passages.
With very good strong data connections the safety improves by 100 but it takes away the magic of beiing isolated for a long time. At the moment I feel making a balance between having a good EPIRB and making sure I can got some low speed data in and out would be sufficient.
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01-05-2023, 06:04
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Re: A Peterson 44 Sinking--crew rescued
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. . . I would think that anything hitting anyone's skeg could cause a skeg failure . . .
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Inherent weak point on probably most boats with skeg rudders.
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