The Reef Ain't Dead

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

Good thing I have my own boat and am master of my own vessel.

I get paid to sail other people's boats, as master of the vessel.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

I gave you the observed data that shows that Canada is warming faster than the global means and that the Canada Arctic is warming even faster.

His own data verifies that the both the Northern hemisphere and the Arctic are warming faster than the global mean.

I have no idea why he resorted to models rather than observed data.

He didn't resort to anything, and doesn't dispute accelerated warming in the northern regions. Nobody does afaik. Rather, he was comparing observed data with models. So was he panning to his audience as you first suggested by dishonestly distorting the data, or was he sticking to the science and reaching a different conclusion? Can you support your accusations with evidence or not?

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

Can you support your accusations with evidence or not?

More often than you do.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

I get paid to sail other people's boats, as master of the vessel.

Good for you. I have no doubt about your qualifications to do so. I prefer to own my own boat rather than sail on others where I can never be assured of the level of upkeep, maintenance, and seamanlike standards. I only have two standing orders, but I am strict and unflinching about both of them: (i) falling overboard is strictly forbidden; and (ii) nobody's permitted to jam up the toilets. Thus far I've only experienced strict adherence to these onboard rules, with successful and, more importantly, fun offshore passages the result.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

More often than you do.

I don't claim any expertise, but you certainly do. It's OK though, I have my answer and it was not unexpected.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

I don't claim any expertise, but you certainly do. It's OK though, I have my answer and it was not unexpected.

I have never claimed expertise in climate science. I can recognize and refer to expertise and I can recognize crap.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by GordMay

The 444 page CCCR2019 Report, to which I previously linked, cites hundreds of references to supporting scientific data.
➥ https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/www.nr...T-EN-FINAL.pdf

No claim being made -- neither by me nor Spencer's study -- that there is no supporting data. It appears to be a difference in scientific opinion, between climate experts, over the accuracy of some of the modeling. That's all.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Why do I doubt that you bothered to read the links?

As to risks:

Climate Science and Climate Risk: A Primer
By Dr. Kerry A. Emanuel
Professor of Atmospheric Science
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

One paragraph.



https://eapsweb.mit.edu/sites/defaul...ate_Primer.pdf

Are you able to discern the difference between risk and reality? For example, every time I cross the road I risk being run over by a bus or other vehicle yet to date have not been. Should I stop crossing roads based on the risk?

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

I have never claimed expertise in climate science. I can recognize and refer to expertise and I can recognize crap.

Only the expertise that shares your opinions. And then you have the CRAAP test for contrary opinions, even though they're from equally credentialed and respected experts. Expertise or not, that's hardly objective and thus scientific.

Still haven't backed up your accusation leveled against Roy Spencer, or answered a couple of pretty basic questions. I know you won't.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by jackdale

I get paid to sail other people's boats, as master of the vessel.

So do I, but do not wear a life jacket.. do insist the owner does however if he wants to go forward with me to assist.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by boatman61

So do I, but do not wear a life jacket.. do insist the owner does however if he wants to go forward with me to assist.

Shame, shame. Shame on you Boatie. I bet you're the type who doesn't buy fire insurance either.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Exile

Shame, shame. Shame on you Boatie. I bet you're the type who doesn't buy fire insurance either.

Don't own a property.. Never have..

[Exile]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Don't own a property.. Never have..

Smart! (it's overrated).

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

Still haven't backed up your accusation leveled against Roy Spencer, or answered a couple of pretty basic questions. I know you won't.

I did not level and accusation at Spencer. I took him at his word.

Nate says:
January 21, 2021 at 1:33 PM
Why select Canada? Why not all land in NH?

Reply
Roy Spencer says:
January 21, 2021 at 2:10 PM
Because I promised my Canadian audience I would do this.

I have answered your loaded questions.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

Only the expertise that shares your opinions. And then you have the CRAAP test for contrary opinions, even though they're from equally credentialed and respected experts.

You criticize the CRAAP test even though you do not understand it?

I should mention that Spencer did him no favor by getting involved with the latest subterfuge by David Legates. He actually believed Legates' lie that he had authority to request and post the papers. At least Spencer had the good sense to take down the papers after being requested to do so by the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-b1786288.html