The Reef Ain't Dead

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Wow. Amazing. How do they get you people to believe this codswallop

So it's inconceivable to you that nature's response to a rapidly-changing climate would be anything other than uniformly linear? Do you also believe that biospheres can simply hitch up their skirts and quickly shift north or south to find their sweet spot again?

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Wow. Amazing. How do they get you people to believe this codswallop

Well, there's certainly no arguing with that well reasoned, fact laden, argument.

[Lake-Effect]

You have ocean measurements like this:



But, tree rings! (and not all tree rings, just these special ones here!)

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

So it's inconceivable to you that nature's response to a rapidly-changing climate would be anything other than uniformly linear? Do you also believe that biospheres can simply hitch up their skirts and quickly shift north or south to find their sweet spot again?

I've no problem with variability. Nothing in nature is static. I'm somewhat bemused, however, some kind of anthropogenic pixie dust and its effects on tree rings is being ladled as an excuse to twiddle the numbers when it comes to creating hockey stick graphs.


Hence why there was a need to "hide the decline", I guess.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

You have ocean measurements like this:



But, tree rings! (and not all tree rings, just these special ones here!)

The MWP is missing from that timeline. Which is odd, because I'm pretty sure Fahrenheit was the temperature UoM of choice during that period.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

The MWP is missing from that timeline. Which is odd, because I'm pretty sure Fahrenheit was the temperature UoM of choice during that period.

Well, I don't know that ocean temp was recorded all that rigorously prior to the mid 1800s, but if you insist:

... anything jump out at you?

[boatman61]

It's collected from tree rings submerged by rising sea levels..

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Wow. Amazing. How do they get you people to believe this codswallop

I do not believe in AGW. Belief is for religion. I acknowledge the overwhelming body of scientific evidence support the contention that hauman actvities have overwhelmed natural cycles.

The null hypothesis to AGW is that natural cycles are the forces resulting in the current warming. The two natural cycles involved are long term Milankovitch cycles and short term solar cycles.

Milankovitch cycles would have us in a cooling phase.
https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2949/w...rrent-warming/

Solar cycles have been declining of the past few decades.



As well.

Helped by statistics, the GNF (giant natural fluctuations) model can easily be scientifically rejected.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....2/2016GL070428

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Well, I don't know that ocean temp was recorded all that rigorously prior to the mid 1800s, but if you insist:

... anything jump out at you?

Yeah. A hockey stick shaped with the assistance of anthropogenic pixie dust.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Yeah. A hockey stick shaped with the assistance of anthropogenic pixie dust.

Nice bit of closure, that. Right back to page one of the, um, skeptic's handbook. Ok. Let's leave it there, then.

How's Christmas going. Is it worth getting up early for?

Best wishes to everyone who loves the seas and the craft that sail them.

[GordMay]

“Dynamic symbioses reveal pathways to coral survival through prolonged heatwaves” ~ by Danielle C. Claar et al
“Prospects for coral persistence through increasingly frequent and extended heatwaves seem bleak. Coral recovery from bleaching is only known to occur after temperatures return to normal, and mitigation of local stressors does not appear to augment coral survival. Capitalizing on a natural experiment in the equatorial Pacific, we track individual coral colonies at sites spanning a gradient of local anthropogenic disturbance through a tropical heatwave of unprecedented duration. Unexpectedly, some corals survived the event by recovering from bleaching while still at elevated temperatures. These corals initially had heat-sensitive algal symbiont communities, endured bleaching, and then recovered through proliferation of heat-tolerant symbionts. This pathway to survival only occurred in the absence of strong local stressors. In contrast, corals in highly disturbed areas were already dominated by heat-tolerant symbionts, and despite initially resisting bleaching, these corals had no survival advantage in one species and 3.3 times lower survival in the other. These unanticipated connections between disturbance, coral symbioses and heat stress resilience reveal multiple pathways to coral survival through future prolonged heatwaves ..."
More ➥ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19169-y

[capn_billl]

"Wrong. The Medieval Warm Period was a local phenomenon".

********. There are remains of viking farms under glaciers in Greenland.

"A local phenomenon that affected at least half of the planet ".

Meanwhile, I repeatedly ask this question in global warming boards and get an immediate ban.

"Post 100 years of RAW temperature data from a single equatorial weather station."

That eliminates seasonal, and climate variations, and should show a clear steady increase in temperature if "global" warming is really "global", and not a "local temperature phenomenon".

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by capn_billl

"Wrong. The Medieval Warm Period was a local phenomenon".

********. There are remains of viking farms under glaciers in Greenland.

"A local phenomenon that affected at least half of the planet ".

Meanwhile, I repeatedly ask this question in global warming boards and get an immediate ban.

"Post 100 years of RAW temperature data from a single equatorial weather station."

That eliminates seasonal, and climate variations, and should show a clear steady increase in temperature if "global" warming is really "global", and not a "local temperature phenomenon".

What about 22,000 years of datasets from 692 data sets from 648 locations?

[capn_billl]

I expect temperature data from meteorological organizations, NOT political "climate" organizations.

[capn_billl]

Originally Posted by jackdale

What about 22,000 years of datasets from 692 data sets from 648 locations?

Nope. That is "normalized" ie massaged to make a political point, and confirm preconceived expectations on global warming.

Remember the "pause", where scientists were scrambling to find out where the global warming went during a 15 year period of declining global temperatures?