The Reef Ain't Dead

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Look to the right of the blades; see what else is being buried? Tires.

When the number of old wind turbine blades rises enough to be 1/1000th as much of a pollution/disposal issue as tires, give us a nudge.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Ridd wasn't chasing fame and fortune. He was toiling at his profession of being one of the leading GBR experts long before he came to the media's attention. Even then it was probably more the amount raised from crowdfunding for fighting his legal battle with his former employer that caused the spotlight to shine in his direction.

The Institute of Public Affairs is also supporting him as a public interest matter.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

The Institute of Public Affairs is also supporting him as a public interest matter.

No, it's more like a matter of self-interest.

The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) is a conservative, non profit free market public policy think tank[2][3][4] based in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. It advocates free market economic policies such as free speech, free markets, privatisation[5] and deregulation of state-owned enterprises, trade liberalisation, and deregulated workplaces, climate change denial,[6] the abolition of the minimum wage,[7] and the repeal of section 18C within the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.[8]

ye olde wikipedia

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Fail - try again.

I was referring to the real context. Not the post reveal excuse.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Look to the right of the blades; see what else is being buried? Tires.

When the number of old wind turbine blades rises enough to be 1/1000th as much of a pollution/disposal issue as tires, give us a nudge.

you can't make road base from old wind generator blades.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

No, it's more like a matter of self-interest.
ye olde wikipedia

you obviously missed the multiple references to "free speech".

[Exile]

Why debate or even discuss when you can simply suppress?

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

No, it's more like a matter of self-interest.
ye olde wikipedia

Benign self interest is the basis of any decent civilization.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

I was referring to the real context. Not the post reveal excuse.

The "real context." What would that be?

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

you can't make road base from old wind generator blades.

Here's another use for old wind generator blades that ties in nicely with the thread: fashion them into crude frames and drop into ocean areas where you want to restore fish habitat and encourage coral growth. Artificial reefs, basically. Can't be any dirtier than scuttling old warships.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by jackdale

The "real context." What would that be?

The context prior to getting busted twiddling the reconstructed and instrumental data in order to exaggerate recent warming.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

The context prior to getting busted twiddling the reconstructed and instrumental data in order to exaggerate recent warming.

Which has been replicated over three dozen times by different groups of researchers using different methodologies and different data sets.

Reproducibility is a cornerstone of the scientific method.

Tus is still wrong.

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

The trick was switching from tree rings to temperature records and the travesty was not being able to eliminate the grapes of wrath heat from the first half of the twentieth century. Next question.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

The context prior to getting busted twiddling the reconstructed and instrumental data in order to exaggerate recent warming.

Tree Ring/Temperature Divergence:
In recent decades, some (although not all) trees, mostly in high northern latitudes (the most studied), have stopped responding positively to higher temperatures.
How do we know? For the past 150 years, we've been measuring temperatures directly with various instruments. And, indeed, trees seem to follow temperatures faithfully, growing more during warm years, and less during cold, until around 50 - 60 years ago (60s-70s). Then, even as scientific instruments continued to register rising temperatures, some northern trees started growing less.

- Tree-ring proxy reconstructions are reliable before about 1960, tracking closely with the instrumental record, and other independent proxies.
- The divergence problem is unprecedented, unique to the last few decades, indicating its cause may be anthropogenic.
- The cause is likely to be a combination of local and global factors, such as warming-induced drought*, global dimming (due to air pollution), etc.
Many climate-skeptic opinion pieces and blogs, argue that, if tree rings show cooling, earth cannot be warming.
However, tree-rings are not the only proxy source of past climatic information. If the divergence issue had been relevant in the past, we would see the tree ring data divergence from other proxy records (e.g. lake sediment, ice cores etc). We do not see this, and on the whole all the multi-proxy records agree.

* Where tree rings & temperature diverge, one crucial factor seems to be the micro environment of the sampled tree. If temperatures are rising there, but moisture isn't, then higher temperatures lead to water stress, which retards, rather than enhances, growth. Beyond a certain threshold level of temperature, the trees may become more stressed physiologically, especially if moisture availability does not increase, at the same time.

That's why scientists sometimes omit tree-ring data, from recent decades, in favor of the more accurate instrumental data.

[75Driver]

*sigh* I wish my Canadian brethren would quit engaging here. It’s embarrassing to read such petty discrepancy issues when there is no point or course of agreement on these issues. It’s never as Black or White when it comes to climate change arguments. Most would agree that something is going on but most would also disagree as to the reason. It’s a no win situation yet both sides engage as if they have the “trump card”, pardon my pun, when the reality is there is no trump card that wins the hand. Let’s go back to the land of being the friendliest people on the planet and save our reputation from this muck fest.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Tree Ring/Temperature Divergence:
In recent decades, some (although not all) trees, mostly in high northern latitudes (the most studied), have stopped responding positively to higher temperatures.
How do we know? For the past 150 years, we've been measuring temperatures directly with various instruments. And, indeed, trees seem to follow temperatures faithfully, growing more during warm years, and less during cold, until around 50 - 60 years ago (60s-70s). Then, even as scientific instruments continued to register rising temperatures, some northern trees started growing less.

- Tree-ring proxy reconstructions are reliable before about 1960, tracking closely with the instrumental record, and other independent proxies.
- The divergence problem is unprecedented, unique to the last few decades, indicating its cause may be anthropogenic.
- The cause is likely to be a combination of local and global factors, such as warming-induced drought*, global dimming (due to air pollution), etc


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Wow. Amazing. How do they get you people to believe this codswallop