The Reef Ain't Dead

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

A battery pack that was towed out to the electric car by a gas-powered one.

Yes - that is true. They should used an electric powered vehicle for the rescue. Your post is still wrong.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Yes - that is true. They should used an electric powered vehicle for the rescue. Your post is still wrong.

Then there'd be two electric cars more likely burning coal when they need to get plugged in. Misstating the battery pack as a diesel generator was wrong but it's prediction about the future was correct (based on current technology).

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

Then there'd be two electric cars more likely burning coal when they need to get plugged in.

And that is why we need the infrastructure change to get off of coal, which is the worst form of energy production.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

Then there'd be two electric cars more likely burning coal when they need to get plugged in.

BTW - the photo was taken in Austria where 81% of the electrical generation is renewable. https://www.worldometers.info/electr...a-electricity/

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

And that is why we need the infrastructure change to get off of coal, which is the worst form of energy production.

The worst and also the cheapest. Until natural gas became so economical (and cleaner/safer) that is, thanks to the US fracking industry. You really need to bring your (justified) complaints to the Chinese. Good luck.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

BTW - the photo was taken in Austria where 81% of the electrical generation is renewable. https://www.worldometers.info/electr...a-electricity/

Yes, I read that from your fact-checker link.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Exile

A battery pack that was towed out to the electric car by a gas-powered one.

Its called seeing what one wants to see..

[Exile]

Originally Posted by Exile

A battery pack that was towed out to the electric car by a gas-powered one.

Whoops. The tow car was not gas but diesel powered (a little better), but the battery pack was a battery pack, and the electric car an electric car. Whew. But that means that, if the tow car had been electric there would have been 3 sets of lithium batteries likely burning coal. Oh well, hopefully the larger point wasn't missed by some of these pedantics.

Originally Posted by boatman61

Its called seeing what one wants to see..

Greenwashing! Newly discovered lingo for me so thought I'd cite it twice. Then again, whoever created the cartoon really wanted that battery pack to be a fossil fuel powered generator. The politicization of this entire issue means it's chock full of manipulation and deception from all sides.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Climate-change deniers like to compare themselves to great scientists, like Galileo or Darwin, who challenged the scientific orthodoxy of their times (the current orthodoxy being, of course, the belief that humans are altering Earth’s climate).
Skepticism, they (rightly) maintain, is central to science.
True skepticism, however, demands that one subject all sides of a scientific contention, or dispute, to equal scrutiny, and weigh the totality of evidence, without prejudice.
That should not be conflated with contrarianism or denialism, which is a kind of one-sided skepticism, that entails simply rejecting evidence that challenges one’s preconceptions.
Unfortunately, the term skeptic has, at times, been coopted by those who are not skeptics at all, but are instead contrarians or deniers, predisposed to the indiscriminate rejection of evidence supporting a human influence on climate, and it's implications for public policy (often the underlying objection).

Well maybe.

But perhaps they are folks who don't have a clue about the science but have been fooled into buying a particular soap powder because the nice lady in the TV ad said their clothes would come out of the machine "whiter and brighter than brand new" and discovered that they don't and that the extant AGW/CC propaganda drive looks remarkably similar to the soap advertising campaign that fooled them into buying a fairly useless soap powder.

There are many paths to scepticism and enthusiastically promoted but non performing soap powder is one of them.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

There are many paths to scepticism and enthusiastically promoted but non performing soap powder is one of them.

Nah, partisanship for the win.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Nah, partisanship for the win.

Especially if it prevents recognizing how partisanship is so often responsible for motivating positions on both sides of the issue. Political bias is insidious in the way it can compromise objectivity. I'm certainly not immune.

[StuM]

What's all the last pages got to do with whether claims about the GBR are true?

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

So is nasa considered a non biased source for any scientific research?

Originally Posted by GordMay

But, are you suggesting that the thousands of scientists, and scientific papers that (generally) support the consensus that AGGs are driving CC, don't represent any "smoke" (& perhaps fire)?

The letter, from 49 former NASA employees (primarily engineers) expresses the unsubstantiated* OPINION* (belief) that NASA is relying too heavily on complex climate models that have proven scientifically inadequate in predicting climate, and
“... that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated ...
... * For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.”

* "GLOBAL WARMING FACTS VERSUS FAITH O N E A S T R O N A U T ’ S V I E W S”
➥ http://www.waltercunningham.com/factsfaith.pdf

Just answering a question. If there's disharmony in the ranks when it comes to certain NASA research it may indicate some inside the loop perceive it to be an issue.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by StuM

What's all the last pages got to do with whether claims about the GBR are true?

To be fair, there was also the element of "witch hunting" in the context of the topic of this thread.


Hence why the hordes armed with virtual pitchforks continue to appear from far and wide.

[downunder]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

To be fair, there was also the element of "witch hunting" in the context of the topic of this thread.


Hence why the hordes armed with virtual pitchforks continue to appear from far and wide.

All with plenty to contribute from actual in person GBR observations.