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Old 12-07-2020, 00:22   #16
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Re: Fiji and AIS tracking

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Not to mention the unlikelihood of getting negative test results within 48 hours. We had a trip booked (in early March) for the first two weeks of August in Hawaii. Hawaii had closed to ALL inbound traffic, and when they started to open had a mandatory 14 day quarantine. Go directly from airport to hotel room, don't go anywhere on pain of arrest. They just recently (in the last week or so) announced that they will open to visitors August 1 without quarantine, IF you have a negative test taken within 72 hours of arrival. So far, I haven't been able to find any way to guarantee we can get test results in the time allowed, so we're cancelling our trip. Actually, we need to reschedule, or kiss the $1,500 airfare goodbye.

With many, if not most, locales giving testing priority to symptomatic patients, first responders, etc, I imagine it wouldn't be easy to jump the even shorter testing hoop to go to Fiji.
That may just be due to the current situation in California. Testing here gets a result same day (or next morning for late afternoon tests)
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Old 12-07-2020, 09:14   #17
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I didn't understand how Lima ("you should stop you vessel immediately") would be used in this situation. Having checked: "The (Lima) flag is flown from a ship that is either arriving in port with known serious health problems or that has been placed under quarantine by the local port authorities. Once the local authorities have determined that the ship’s health problems have been resolved and removed the quarantine order, the ship may fly the free pratique flag (e.g., the international signal flag QUEBEC), which is solid yellow. https://www.maritimeprofessional.com...ine-flag-13441 "
It seems you have asked and answered your own question. Indeed the Lima flag has dual meanings and is the flag upon which one flies when sequestered for the period of required quarantine before receiving clearance by the port health officials. Once the public health officials have given clearance from quarantine, the entry to port is typically availed and generally no further request, such as Free Pratique is required. Although, I could see where in one has completed the quarantine period with no ill health issues and would lower the quarantine flag and then advance to the Quebec flag signal say for providing clearance for customs and immigration purposes whose officials would tend to stay clear of a vessel until the public health officials provide for clearance to proceed.
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Old 27-07-2020, 13:00   #18
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Under the current international code of signals, Lima does not have two meanings. Lima has nothing to do with quarantine unless local authorities request/require it to be flown.

https://msi.nga.mil/Publications/ICOS
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Re: Fiji and AIS tracking

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Under the current international code of signals, Lima does not have two meanings. Lima has nothing to do with quarantine unless local authorities request/require it to be flown.

https://msi.nga.mil/Publications/ICOS
That's not the current ICOS. The current Code is the 2005 Edition. Your link is to the 2003 revision of the 1969 edition.
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Under the current international code of signals, Lima does not have two meanings. Lima has nothing to do with quarantine unless local authorities request/require it to be flown.

https://msi.nga.mil/Publications/ICOS
The Quebec signal is used to only request free pratique, whereas laying at quarantine requires the use of the Lima flag. Quarantine used to be 40 days, with Covid-19 the standard is 14 days.

For example: Reference to specific ordinances in Alaska and Maryland.

https://covid19.alaska.gov/ufaqs/wha...can-i-get-one/

https://cmta.wildapricot.org/resourc...ice-harbor.pdf

Bristol Bay notice: See flags denoted below.

https://www.bbrsda.com/covid19

The plain yellow flag ("Quebec" or Q in international maritime signal flags), perhaps derives its letter symbol for its initial use in quarantine, but this flag in modern times indicates the opposite—a ship that declares itself free of quarantinable disease, and requests boarding and inspection by Port State Control to allow the grant of "free pratique". Pratique is the license given to a ship to enter port on assurance from the captain to convince the authorities that she is free from contagious disease. The clearance granted is commonly referred to as free pratique. A ship can signal a request for pratique by flying a solid yellow square-shaped flag. This yellow flag is the Q flag in the set of international maritime signal flags.

There is no request for clearance, or inspection during the period of mandated quarantine, hence no use of the Q signal flag during that period, instead the Lima signal flag is flown for the duration of the requisite quarantine. The vessel remains in isolation, no free pratique is requested nor granted until after quarantine is successfully fulfilled and then if and only if, the ship has remained disease free can the vessel at that time request free pratique and initiate such by flying the Q flag to signal such. Only after successfully fulfilling quarantine, will the port authority provide for inspection and clearance proceedings.

Since flying the Q flag involves a request for boarding by Port State Control, it has also become an invitation to Customs to inspect a vessel for dutiable goods or contraband.
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Further note:

If one is requesting free pratique one flies just a single Q flag; whereas if one Requires Health Clearance, one flies two Q flags which vessel indicates: "I require health clearance."

If a vessel requires medical assistance it signals such with the W flag "Whiskey" Red, Blue White.
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That's not the current ICOS. The current Code is the 2005 Edition. Your link is to the 2003 revision of the 1969 edition.
There isn’t an online source I can find for the 2005 edition, do you know of one, or have the 2005 aboard to snap photos of the relevant pages?
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Hawaii will be extending the 14 day quarantine for arrivals past the August 1 date that had been previously set, according to the Lt. Governor. An official notice from the Governor will be forthcoming after the weekend.
Yes, they announced they had pushed the date back to September 1, subject to change. The change most likely being another postponement. Our AirBNB host let us know the same day it was announced, and gave us a full refund, all fees included.

Hopefully we can head there in October, which will likely be better weather, anyway.
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