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Old 03-12-2020, 03:05   #1
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Bugger!... 1900 boxes

By my reckoning that is more than half her deck cargo.....

https://splash247.com/insurers-brace...s-lost-at-sea/

Oh well... look on the bright side ... a good year in prospect for beachcombers in the Pacific North West...
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And we're wondering what the Vendee Globe sailors have been hitting well South and now East of of Cape Town....?
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Conflicting reports. "1900 lost" or "1900 lost or damaged"

“The vessel was on passage from Yantian to Long Beach, approximately 1600NM North West of Hawaii, when it encountered a violent storm cell producing gale force winds and large swells which caused the ONE Apus to roll heavily resulting in the dislodging of the lost containers.
“Early investigations onboard the ONE Apus have determined that the impacted container bays remain unsafe for close-quarter inspections; however, it is estimated that the number of lost or damaged units could exceed 1,900, of which some 40 are believed to be DG [dangerous goods] containers,”
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By my reckoning that is more than half her deck cargo.....



https://splash247.com/insurers-brace...s-lost-at-sea/



Oh well... look on the bright side ... a good year in prospect for beachcombers in the Pacific North West...


The receiver of wrecks you mean. Taking washed up cargo being theft around here.
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The receiver of wrecks you mean. Taking washed up cargo being theft around here.

Would the insurer pay for salvage if you presented what you found to them? Doubt it.
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Would the insurer pay for salvage if you presented what you found to them? Doubt it.
More likely they will ignore you, which means after about 12 months you then own it.

This is a story of a newish ship that hit a small seaside town in the UK:


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...llution.uknews
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So who pays for garbage clean up if it comes onto the shores?

If you hit said container(s) w/your boat, is that company/insurer on the hook for not recovering their hazards that they've knowingly dumped in the ocean?

If they dumped oil laden materials (e.g. cars) or the ship goes down in the middle of the ocean, are there environmental fines levied?
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So who pays for garbage clean up if it comes onto the shores?

If you hit said container(s) w/your boat, is that company/insurer on the hook for not recovering their hazards that they've knowingly dumped in the ocean?

If they dumped oil laden materials (e.g. cars) or the ship goes down in the middle of the ocean, are there environmental fines levied?

Guess nobody knows the answer(s) to any of the above!
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So who pays for garbage clean up if it comes onto the shores?

If you hit said container(s) w/your boat, is that company/insurer on the hook for not recovering their hazards that they've knowingly dumped in the ocean?

If they dumped oil laden materials (e.g. cars) or the ship goes down in the middle of the ocean, are there environmental fines levied?
I don’t know the answer to your question but logic asks me “Who gets to levy environmental fines for ships that sink in international waters?” Because if that’s up for grabs, I wouldn’t mind scoring a few million $$$ in fines, maybe I should register in some environmental court and impose said levies.

One has to be careful what you wish for. In the hopefully unlikely event that my boat sinks at sea, I would be royally pee’d off if some random government suddenly came calling for a million bucks to cover the environmental damage caused (and not necessarily to them/theirs) by my boat sinking.

I’m always curious about the “someone must pay” ethos prevalent in today’s world. Maybe the ship owners should be suing the engineers that originally designed the container twist-lock system because, after all, that’s what failed to cause the disaster in the first place. Why should he/they not pay? Why not recall 100 million containers to fit “improved locking systems” like they recently did with automotive airbag system failures worldwide?

Disasters are not always somebody’s fault. Sometimes it is just a disaster.
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Pretty hard to prove who owns a container the boat collides with hundreds of miles offshore. I imagine you're far too busy with other things.

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Pretty hard to prove who owns a container the boat collides with hundreds of miles offshore. I imagine you're far too busy with other things.Ann

Actually easier than you think to identify who owns the container. All containers have an identification code on the front door.

Agree you maybe busy depending on how much damage was sustained.
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An older article, but does answer the container question (somewhat).
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More likely they will ignore you, which means after about 12 months you then own it.

This is a story of a newish ship that hit a small seaside town in the UK:


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...llution.uknews
MSC Napoli was 15 years old and suffered structural failure - due to age - off the coast. As I recall beached so that she wouldn't sink....

Two points with the present incident..

The 'Splash' article says she was 'xxx miles NW of Hawaii'.... I would suggest 'near the Aleutians' would have given readers a better feel for the probable ( December) conditions.

There are going to be some gaps on the Walmart shelves this festive season.
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I’m always curious about the “someone must pay” ethos prevalent in today’s world. Maybe the ship owners should be suing the engineers that originally designed the container twist-lock system because, after all, that’s what failed to cause the disaster in the first place. Why should he/they not pay? Why not recall 100 million containers to fit “improved locking systems” like they recently did with automotive airbag system failures worldwide?

Disasters are not always somebody’s fault. Sometimes it is just a disaster.
Some may consider this a worthwhile read...

https://splash247.com/why-this-box-s...o-spur-change/

People show a very limited amount of concern about the sweatshop labour that makes their 'designer' trinkets...

They show zero concern about how their 'designer stuff' gets to their local store...

Until it threatens to sink their yacht...
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