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Old 27-10-2021, 16:26   #31
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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

Coast guard says 109 containers, not 40, fell off cargo ship near Victoria
The number of containers, that fell into the ocean, from the MV “Zim Kingston”, is up to 109, from the original estimate of 40, the coast guard said Wednesday.
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Old 29-10-2021, 06:25   #32
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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

“Containers that went overboard wash ashore on Vancouver Island”
CBC News ➥ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ores-1.6229157

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Canadian Coast Guard: Mariners, aircraft and members of the public in the area are asked to report any sightings of containers to 1-800-889-8852 immediately and reminded to avoid opening or moving containers as two of the 109 containers contain hazardous chemicals.
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Old 29-10-2021, 10:04   #33
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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

Yes. Interesting, but, as environmental dangers go, not too difficult to deal with, I shouldn't have thought. Our exceptionally competent civilian SAR organizations work in environments that are often more difficult and dangerous than the open beaches of Vancouver Island.

Therefore, if our RCAF is unable, for reasons either real or political, to spare the time or the budget to retrieve by helicopter such "hard goods" as domestic appliances, or indeed the containers themselves, then e.g. the exemplary North Shore Rescue civilian SARU reporting to the Joint Rescue Coordination Committee is perfectly capable of doing the work. It would be costly, of course, and while ZIM Kingston is in Greek ownership and in Maltese Registry, we all know that her OPERATOR is an Israeli limited liability corporation. A claim in law for the clean-up costs, once they are known, may therefore be expected to be in litigation for decades. So certainly the clean-up costs will fall on the Canadian Tax Payer in the first instance while there will be zero impact on the Israeli operators of the vessel, i.e. the shareholders of ZIM.

As for the chemical - potassium amylxanthate - allegedly contained in two of the errant containers, it is, so sez the all-knowing Ms. Google, highly soluble in water and therefore incapable of being retrieved unless it is still in the original packaging within a container. It is hazardous to marine life. Here is a safety sheet for the stuff.

https://www.leg.mn.gov/docs/2015/oth...tec%202009.pdf

We will never know what damage the release of these two containers' worth of it will have done to the ecology of our west coast. Nor will we ever know what fabulous arguments ZIM's lawyers would advance in court in order to dodge the clean-up costs.

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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

Limitation of Liability in Maritime Law:
A distinctive feature of maritime law is the privilege accorded to a shipowner and certain other persons (such as charterers in some instances) to limit the amount of their liability, under certain circumstances, in respect of tort and some contract claims. In some countries, including the United States, the limit, except as to claims for personal injury and wrongful death, is the value of the ship and the earnings of the voyage on which it was engaged at the time of the casualty.
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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

"Zim Kingston" Was Loitering in a Gale Due to Port Congestion

Using satellite AIS data, Seattle public radio station KUOW found that the boxship "Zim Kingston" loitered off the strait's entrance in gale conditions, moving at three knots, on a course beam-to the prevailing winds, for about six hours.

While she was orbiting on a north-south racetrack path off the Strait, significant wave height was about 16 to 20 feet, and sustained wind speeds were in the range of 35-40 knots.

"Zim Kingston" began to roll through 35 degrees, and with extreme forces acting on her stacked deck cargo, she lost more than 100 boxes over the side.

"The [Zim Kingston] was sort of in a holding pattern out there because the anchorages in both the U.S. side and the Canadian side of the border are pretty full," said Laird Hail, director of the Puget Sound VTS, speaking to KUOW. "We've not always had room for vessels to be able to come into anchor, so many of them are holding off shore, waiting for a turn to come into either Canadian waters or US waters to anchor."

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And ➥ https://safety4sea.com/port-congesti...-0-gaNycGzNCGU
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Old 04-11-2021, 09:06   #36
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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

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That is yesterday's news, rather :-) As of a few minutes ago (0830PDST) ZIM Kingston was still lying peacefully at anchor on Constance Bank attended by Seaspan Raven, a rather competent harbour tug.

I note that the headline writer for KUOW (a Seattle broadcaster) uses the word "loitering". What are we to make of that? Is it just slack-arsed use of English, or is the headline writer so knowledgeable about marine affairs that he is capable of evaluating, ensconced in his office next to UofW, what Kingston's skipper SHOULD have done? If so, why is he not addressing the difficulty the skipper of a fully stacked container ship must have if he is, in conditions such as those obtaining, broached accidentally while in an unavoidable "holding pattern"? That, in this benighted, yottie's opinion can easily happen given the windage of those things!

Has the KUOW man seen for himself that in every place in the southern Straits of Georgia where a freighter can possibly put down her hook, one has done so awaiting clearance for Vancouver Harbour and FraserPort?

On the surface of it, it seems to me that staying off soundings ("loitering" - ahem!) was precisely the right thing to do rather than bring the vessel into confined waters where a pilot is required, and where an designated anchoring position could not be assigned.

The salvage of containers and the clean-up of flotsam is proceeding quite rapidly, I understand, precisely by the means I suggested, i.e. by the use of helicopters normally employed in hauling logs out of remote logging operations. Civilian SARUs are assisting by cleaning the flotsam from the beaches by hand, and placing the detritus in cargo nets, which are then hauled off the beaches by the said helicopters because the beaches are inaccessible for trucks and other machines. The Joint Rescue Coordinating Committee is to be applauded IMO!

All in all, it is my opinion that once the accident had happened the remedial action has been entirely appropriate - indeed commendable. The REAL question, of course, is whether we should not do something about the "globalization" that has necessitated this sort of transport of goods that could equally well be, and once were, made locally.

COP26 should have something to say about that, but I rather doubt that the participants will have the intestinal fortitude to do that!

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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

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...I note that the headline writer for KUOW (a Seattle broadcaster) uses the word "loitering"... What are we to make of that?..

I don't know, "loitering" seems like a pretty descriptive term for what the AIS tracking revealed.

Is it just slack-arsed use of English, or is the headline writer so knowledgeable about marine affairs that he is capable of evaluating, ensconced in his office next to UofW...

you used the word "ensconced”? What are we to make of that?
Was your complaint that the term "loitering" was incorrect? Or are you outraged that somebody with an office close to a university in Seattle, had the audacity to describe the event that should properly only be the realm of real knowledgeable seamen like yourself?
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Yes. Interesting, but, as environmental dangers go, not too difficult to deal with, I shouldn't have thought. Our exceptionally competent civilian SAR organizations work in environments that are often more difficult and dangerous than the open beaches of Vancouver Island...
Most of the first 100 miles along Vancouver Island north of where the containers were lost is rugged, rocky, wave lashed, cliffs with occasional beaches. Much of it is inaccessible except by helicopter or hiking.

The beaches are the easy part.
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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

The MV “Zim Kingston”, that lost more than 100 containers into the Pacific Ocean, after a fire on board, has been cleared to travel to the Port of Nanaimo, in British Columbia.
Officials say the “Zim Kingston” was scheduled to leave Constance Bay near Victoria on Friday, on a trip that was expected to take about 11 hours. They say damaged containers on the ship will be unloaded by the Nanaimo Port Authority, as part of its normal operations.
A salvage team has also been hired, by the ship's owner, to be present during the trip, to monitor the stability of containers on board, and provide firefighting resources.
The ship was being accompanied by two tugboats, a Canadian Coast Guard lifeboat, a U.S. Coast Guard vessel in American waters, a marine mammal watch vessel, and another that was doing environmental monitoring.
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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

friend just traversed said area and found nothing out of norm must have been cleaned up a month ago when it happened.
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Littering is a fine from my car. About $1 million per container fine would be good!
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As of 0820 this morning Kingston was at anchor halfway between Duke Point and Protection Island, still accompanied by Seaspan Raven. SR is a very competent harbour tug out of Vancouver, and Port of Nanaimo has several very similar tugs available.

There is, as they say, "nothing to see here". The entire operation including the firefighting on Constance Bank has been completely routine.

The only reason there was reference to a USCG vessel in the Vancouver Sun article is that a pointy bit of the US sticks out into the Strait of Georgia - yes, THAT George :-) - and it is required by the Traffic Separation Scheme that large inbound (northbound) vessels cut across that bit. Outbound (southbound) it is not necessary to do so. Obviously CCG did the US the courtesy of notifying the USCG of the intention to do so since Kingston has been on the scope of every seafarer in Puget sound for weeks, as well as on the scope of our own people.

British Columbia Ferry Corporation, for all intents and purposes a Crown Corporation, operating its vessels out of Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal, as well as vessels coming to and leaving Robert's Bank Bulk Loading Facility, cross that excrescence many times each day, and they are not attended by USCG.

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Re: 40 containers dumped at mouth of Juan de Fuca

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friend just traversed said area and found nothing out of norm must have been cleaned up a month ago when it happened.
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... The unified command says cleanup crews haven’t found any more containers from the ship. That means four were found and there is no sign of the other 105 containers, which are believed to have sunk...
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The article in The Sun also sez: “The ship owner will continue to check the known accumulation sites for debris every few months and remove debris likely to be from the Zim Kingston", and “The Canadian Coast Guard will also monitor for debris when conducting overflights in the West Coast Vancouver Island area.”

"The ship owner" actually maintains an office in Vancouver. While there are lots and lots of snazzy restaurants within a very few blocks of Zim's Vancouver office, I shouldn't be surprised if people with some responsibility for cleaning up the Kingston mess pop into the Vancouver Club, just four blocks down the street, and decide over their Beef Wellington, just what the next step in the clean-up has to be. Nor would I be surprised if the responsible people know each other very well from the Royal Vancouver Yacht Club.

All in all, I think the cooperation between the various responsible agencies that kicked in the moment the fat was in the fire, has been exemplary, and I have every confidence that it will continue to be so.


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