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Old 18-05-2020, 12:55   #1
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Windlass wars, Lofrans vs Maxwell

I'm ready to buy a new windlass to replace my old one that is undersized for my boat, I have got it down to two options for my 50 foot prout quasar cat. i'm going to go with 300 feet of chain, people say good things about both, the cost of the Maxwell 3000$ CAD is a bit off-putting but it has more utility I think.

Maxwell HRC10 - 24v
1200w a bit less power
does chain of any type and rope
no cleat on top
700$ CAD more money




Lofrans Tigres - 24v
1500w a bit more power
has to be the right chain or it will not work
has a cleat on top which may useful
700$ CAD less money


Also open to other options but don't want to spend to much more money on this.


Thanks for any help.

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Old 18-05-2020, 13:01   #2
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Re: Windlass wars, Lofrans vs Maxwell

If you're going to run all chain, I'd probably get the Lofrans (and just make sure you get the correct chainwheel for the size chain you want). If you're considering mixed rode, get the Maxwell.

For the Maxwell, it comes in 2 versions, the HRC10-8 (for 5/16" or 8mm chain, 1000W motor) and the HRC10-10 (3/8" or 10mm chain, 1200W motor). Both are spec-ed for 5/8" line, although it looks like 3/4" would work fine (Maxwell claims otherwise, however). Either size chainwheel can be put on either unit if the power difference matters.

I installed an HRC10-8 with a combo rode of 5/16" G43 chain and 5/8" 8 plait line over the winter. Hasn't seen real use yet, but from the testing I've done, it works well. Rope/chain splice transitions very nicely with no help, it's fairly fast, not overly loud, seems well built, etc.

Realistically, I haven't heard anything bad about either unit, so I'd say it just comes down to whether the differences matter to you one way or the other.
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I'm ready to buy a new windlass to replace my old one that is undersized for my boat, I have got it down to two options for my 50 foot prout quasar cat. i'm going to go with 300 feet of chain, people say good things about both, the cost of the Maxwell 3000$ CAD is a bit off-putting but it has more utility I think.

Maxwell HRC10 - 24v
1200w a bit less power
does chain of any type and rope
no cleat on top
700$ CAD more money




Lofrans Tigres - 24v
1500w a bit more power
has to be the right chain or it will not work
has a cleat on top which may useful
700$ CAD less money


Also open to other options but don't want to spend to much more money on this.


Thanks for any help.

Cheers

Donít know either windlass

For me the best windlass has the fastest retrieval rate ... meters per min

The common failure point on windlasses is the stripper arm

Choose a windlass with a robust stripper

Remote control from cockpit plus a chain counter are very valuable features

As far as I know maxwell no longer exists

The brand is marketed by VETUS

Be sure spare parts will be available

Iíve always used lewmar windlasses

No complaints
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Old 18-05-2020, 13:52   #4
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As far as I know maxwell no longer exists
Wrong

http://www.maxwellmarine.com/
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Old 18-05-2020, 14:00   #5
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If you're going to run all chain, I'd probably get the Lofrans (and just make sure you get the correct chainwheel for the size chain you want). If you're considering mixed rode, get the Maxwell.

For the Maxwell, it comes in 2 versions, the HRC10-8 (for 5/16" or 8mm chain, 1000W motor) and the HRC10-10 (3/8" or 10mm chain, 1200W motor). Both are spec-ed for 5/8" line, although it looks like 3/4" would work fine (Maxwell claims otherwise, however). Either size chainwheel can be put on either unit if the power difference matters.

I installed an HRC10-8 with a combo rode of 5/16" G43 chain and 5/8" 8 plait line over the winter. Hasn't seen real use yet, but from the testing I've done, it works well. Rope/chain splice transitions very nicely with no help, it's fairly fast, not overly loud, seems well built, etc.

Realistically, I haven't heard anything bad about either unit, so I'd say it just comes down to whether the differences matter to you one way or the other.

My plan is to do a couple laps around and I was thinking that it may be better to have a windlass that can handle different types of chain plus rope. The thought is that if I lost some of my anchor chain for whatever reason I could still keep going and ad some rope, or if I'm in a place where I can't easily find the type of chain I need.

Am I way out to lunch on thinking that this is a huge plus?
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http://aaccapital.com/en/news/maxwell-marine-joins-vetus/
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Regardless, Maxwell still exists and has done for the 12 years since that article was written.
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Old 19-05-2020, 18:16   #8
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Maxwell is a part of the Vetus group of companies and still very much in business. If you're going to be in New Zealand, let me know and I'll arrange a visit to our facilities in Auckland (direct contact: jmardall@vetus.com). The HRC108 and HRC1010 are rope chain windlasses with horizontal shafts and the entire mechanism on deck. They are quite happy to pull chain all the time, but can also pull a rope chain rode with an appropriate splice. We also make chain only windlasses and if you'd like to check that option, let me know and I'll provide information.
I'm completely biased and from the shameless commerce branch of the group, so you won't be surprised that IMHO you can't beat a Maxwell windlass
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Old 19-05-2020, 18:39   #9
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I've become a Maxwell fan of late, very happy with ours.
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Maxwell is a part of the Vetus group of companies and still very much in business. If you're going to be in New Zealand, let me know and I'll arrange a visit to our facilities in Auckland (direct contact: jmardall@vetus.com). The HRC108 and HRC1010 are rope chain windlasses with horizontal shafts and the entire mechanism on deck. They are quite happy to pull chain all the time, but can also pull a rope chain rode with an appropriate splice. We also make chain only windlasses and if you'd like to check that option, let me know and I'll provide information.
I'm completely biased and from the shameless commerce branch of the group, so you won't be surprised that IMHO you can't beat a Maxwell windlass
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John the OP is under the impression that the Maxwell gypsy can handle different types of chain and rope.
I haven't heard of a gypsy that can do too many sizes. Maybe a misinterpretation?
I think we would appreciate your feedback on this.
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Old 19-05-2020, 19:02   #11
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I have had 2 Lofrans Tigress windlasses on 2 boat. Basically bullet proof. Change the oil every few years if you looking for something to do.
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Re: Windlass wars, Lofrans vs Maxwell

We kinda like our new Maxwell. Went with Italian chain.
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We had a tigres on our 1982 15 ton sailboat. It seemed original. I changed the oil, greased the clutch and went sailing. No issues.
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John the OP is under the impression that the Maxwell gypsy can handle different types of chain and rope.
I haven't heard of a gypsy that can do too many sizes. Maybe a misinterpretation?
I think we would appreciate your feedback on this.
I think he was referring to the Maxwell being able to handle (according to their chainwheel guide), 3/8" BBB, 3/8" G43, 3/8" G70, 3/8" G63/G80, 10mm DIN 766, 10mm ISO 4565, 10mm Grade L, 10mm Grade P, 10mm EN-818, 5/16" G70, all on the same gypsy. The 5/16" gypsy is slightly less flexible, handling 5/16" BBB, 5/16" G43, 8mm Grade L, 8mm Grade P, 8mm EN-818, 8mm DIN 766.

Line-wise, officially the 5/16" gypsy does 9/16" and 5/8". Looking at how 5/8" sits in mine, I think 3/4" would work just fine. Officially the 3/8" gypsy does 5/8" line only.

A lot of other windlasses have more narrowly scoped chainwheels, and need a change for, say 3/8" chain vs 10mm metric chain.
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John the OP is under the impression that the Maxwell gypsy can handle different types of chain and rope.
I haven't heard of a gypsy that can do too many sizes. Maybe a misinterpretation?
I think we would appreciate your feedback on this.

Thanks for raising that issue. For long and trouble-free life of the gypsy, using the correct size chain is critical. Please use only the chain that is specified for your windlass. An off-specification chain may work for a while, but it will knock the shoulders off the chain pockets and before that's gone very far, the chain will be bouncing or slipping as you try to retract. On the RC (rope chain) windlasses the rope dimension is a little less critical, as the rope channel of the gypsy is tapered, but again, for best performance, use the specified rope.


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