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Old 09-10-2017, 07:07   #1
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Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

I bought a 1986 Jeanneau Tonic 23 with no steaming light. The boat is otherwise well equipped, but no indication there was ever a steaming light, no holes, no wires, etc.
It is 23 ft 11 inches LOA, thus I think it requires a steaming light here in USA. The hull is only 22 ft 5 in (the rudder makes it over 23 LOA), could that be it? The boat has lived mostly in Canada, could that be it?
It seems to have always been well maintained with several improvements, so I find it hard to believe it made it 30 years without getting a steaming light.
I will be adding one, but I'm just curious as to how it never had one.
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Old 09-10-2017, 08:22   #2
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

I believe it has to do with different rule for 23ft and under boats for that requirement.
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

Does it have a motor? IOW, can it actually "steam"?

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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

The anchor light can be used as a steaming light for vessels below a certain lenghth.
That's the way my Dragonfly 1000 is wired.
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Old 09-10-2017, 10:07   #5
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

Here's the relevant rules...

Rule 23:
(a) A power-driven vessel underway shall exhibit:
(i) a masthead light forward,
(iii) sidelights,
(iv) a sternlight.

(d) (i) A power-driven vessel of less than 12 metres in length may in
lieu of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule exhibit
an all-round white light and sidelights.

(ii) A power-driven vessel of less than seven metres in length
whose maximum speed does not exceed seven knots may in lieu
of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule exhibit an
all-round white light and shall, if practicable, also exhibit sidelights.

(e) Rule 23(d)(ii) does not apply to a Canadian power-driven vessel
in any waters or to a non-Canadian power-driven vessel in the
Canadian waters of a roadstead, harbour, river, lake or inland
waterway.


23ft is 7.01m ... So your boat was probably designed to fit beneath the 7m rule ... except it was a Canadian boat, so that doesn't apply.

Notice that rule 25(d) does not include a stern light, which you will need while under sail.
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Old 10-10-2017, 05:41   #6
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

Thanks for the responses. My boat is slightly over 23 ft if you count the rudder. Yes, it does have an outboard motor and also had normal sidelights and stern light.
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Old 10-10-2017, 06:09   #7
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

Hmmm, from CG-5397 "Application for simplified measurement "
"LENGTH (L) is the horizontal distance between the outboard side of the foremost part (bow) of the hull and the outboard side of the aftermost part (stern) of the hull. It does not include bowsprits, rudders, outboard motor brackets, swim platforms that do not contain buoyant volume, and other similar fittings and attachments that are not part of the buoyant hull envelope."

So technically, it is legal, but since my title says 23 ft 5in, I wouldn't care to explain that to a coast guard inspection.
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

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Hmmm, from CG-5397 "Application for simplified measurement "
"LENGTH (L) is the horizontal distance between the outboard side of the foremost part (bow) of the hull and the outboard side of the aftermost part (stern) of the hull. It does not include bowsprits, rudders, outboard motor brackets, swim platforms that do not contain buoyant volume, and other similar fittings and attachments that are not part of the buoyant hull envelope."

So technically, it is legal, but since my title says 23 ft 5in, I wouldn't care to explain that to a coast guard inspection.
I doubt the Coasty will put out a tape. You title will suffice.
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

Be safe and to COLREGS code and add a steaming light. That way there is less chance of confusing other traffic on the waterway in reduced visibility.
Cost is minimal and safety is paramount.

On a vessel your size, and probably limited battery power, I would suggest installing LED lamps.
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

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Here's the relevant rules...

Rule 23:
(a) A power-driven vessel underway shall exhibit:
(i) a masthead light forward,
(iii) sidelights,
(iv) a sternlight.

(d) (i) A power-driven vessel of less than 12 metres in length may in
lieu of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule exhibit
an all-round white light and sidelights.

(ii) A power-driven vessel of less than seven metres in length
whose maximum speed does not exceed seven knots may in lieu
of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule exhibit an
all-round white light and shall, if practicable, also exhibit sidelights.

(e) Rule 23(d)(ii) does not apply to a Canadian power-driven vessel
in any waters or to a non-Canadian power-driven vessel in the
Canadian waters of a roadstead, harbour, river, lake or inland
waterway.


23ft is 7.01m ... So your boat was probably designed to fit beneath the 7m rule ... except it was a Canadian boat, so that doesn't apply.

Notice that rule 25(d) does not include a stern light, which you will need while under sail.
Looks like it applies to power-driven vessels. Did your boat come with an engine?
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

+1 on the LEDs. I'd never go back to incandescent. Mostly because the LED fixtures are sealed. You'll never have to worry about corroded contacts again. The power savings is nice, too.

Anyway, one thing to remember: The all-around light can indeed act as a combined steaming light and stern light on a small vessel, with some provisions.

For sailing, you just need the side lights and stern light.

But when steaming, the stern light would need to be OFF and the all-around lit.

Check your switches. There should be three settings; steaming, sailing and anchored. Be sure the correct lights are shown (or not) in each setting and you're good to go.
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+1 on the LEDs. I'd never go back to incandescent. Mostly because the LED fixtures are sealed. You'll never have to worry about corroded contacts again. The power savings is nice, too.

Anyway, one thing to remember: The all-around light can indeed act as a combined steaming light and stern light on a small vessel, with some provisions.

For sailing, you just need the side lights and stern light.

But when steaming, the stern light would need to be OFF and the all-around lit.

Check your switches. There should be three settings; steaming, sailing and anchored. Be sure the correct lights are shown (or not) in each setting and you're good to go.
The Colregs are like the Building Code. They tell you the MINIMUM requirements for keeping your project or your boat safe. And while I value both for professional direction I lean to my own experience in
providing additional layers of safety. Many were the nights while running commercial boats in Boston Harbor that I wished I could bring sailboat captains aboard and show them how almost invisible their vessels are with only the minimum required lights showing. Without a stern light, and while heeled over, if another vessel is approaching from your aft windward quarter no lights are visible. On an overcast new moon evening a sailboat can simply disappear. The single most effective light to alert other vessels to your presence is one angled upward on your sail. Not only is it highly visible, it also can give an indication of your size and heading. Were it my boat I would provide as many potential light sources as I safely could (don't want to ruin the skipper's night vision). In a crowded harbor or shipping lane I would light up like a Christmas tree. On a beautiful night under the stars with my sweetheart, surrounded by an uncrowded sea, I would opt for minimum lights required.
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

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Looks like it applies to power-driven vessels. Did your boat come with an engine?
Who on earth (or at sea) would be asking about a steaming light when they didn't have an engine?

You are not supposed to have anything but your red, green and stern lights showing when under sail (or a tricolour if you want to save amps!)

Why I wonder? From my experience (OK not as much as most members) It is often very difficult to spot a boat under sail when all you see is one red or one green on a boat ahead of you when crossing the North Sea at night. Especially when worried about the number of "heavies" (merchantmen) around you, who you hope have seen your lights (and can be bothered to take the appropriate action, if they actually have anyone on watch, and if the watch-keeper knows how to alter course).

Sailing with the tricolour on can make it difficult for others to judge how far off the oncoming boat is, but sail with just the bow lights on in a heavy sea and your lights only appear when both vessels are on the top of the waves.

I don't really like sailing in congested waters at night!
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

Most likely they were able to exclude the steaming light since the vessel didn't have an auxiliary engine mounted. Sailing the boat without the engine would keep it in compliance. However, when you mount and operate your outboard engine, you become a power-driven vessel, and the requirement for a 225-degree "masthead" light or steaming light should apply. Notwithstanding the aforementioned Canadian corrollaries, I usually want all the lights on I can possibly get when steaming after dark.

If it were me, I'd mount the light. If you need juice, buy an extra battery - it's a lot cheaper than getting run over.
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Re: Why doesn't this boat have a steaming light?

You do not measure the rudder, you simply read what the sheet from the boatyard lists as LOA.

Tonic 23 specification - Jeanneau

The name is 23 but the boat is listed online as LOA 24'.

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