What Rig Is 'this' ?

[nigel1]

Working off Goteland at the moment, and today seems a day for classic rigged boats to go by. Seen a top sail schooner, a brigatiine, and one I dont know.'
Two masted, foremast and main mast, (the after mast being the tallest)
From the forestay was a very large jib, more like a genoa. The formast was gaff rigged with gaff sail and top gaff sail, and from the main was a large bermudan sail. No idea, any one have a clue as to the name of this rig.

[Bash]

Hermaphrodite brig.

[nigel1]

Originally Posted by Bash

Hermaphrodite brig.

Hi Bash, I thought any brig, including Hermaphrodite brigs carried sqaure sails.
This vessel had no sqaure sails, or yards to carry them on.

[Bash]

ah, sorry. I read your original post a bit hastily. You're saying that this is a schooner with a marconi mainmast but a gaff foremast? Yikes, we wouldn't know what division to race her in for the Great Schooner Race.

[nigel1]

Originally Posted by Bash

ah, sorry. I read your original post a bit hastily. You're saying that this is a schooner with a marconi mainmast but a gaff foremast? Yikes, we wouldn't know what division to race her in for the Great Schooner Race.

Thats the one Bash, Gaff rigged on the foremast and marconi on the main.
Looked very nice, there was a really pretty brigatine out as well, with the fake (I hope) gun port doors painted in.

[MarkJ]

Thats an interesting one.
Its a Fore and Aft Schooner ( Or a F&A Schooner with an abortion at the bow)


Complete list of Ship Types
Look under: Schooner (Fore and Aft)

It makes a note that this rig can be handled by very few crew as its is still used trading in the Pacific

You might want to bookmark this website as its a goodie and difficult to find in Google.


Mark

[zeehag]

f & a schooners are elegant. beautiful ships.

[nigel1]

Brain slowly going into gear, classic rigged boats, Baltic, August = Tall Ships Regatta. Slowly trawling through the pictures of tghe fleet, hopeing to spot this rig

[nigel1]

Found her, Johann Smidt, described as a Gaff Rigged Schonner. Fairly new build, 1974

Vessel

[MarkJ]

Originally Posted by nigel1

Found her, Johann Smidt, described as a Gaff Rigged Schonner. Fairly new build, 1974

Vessel

That link isnt working right, its trying to direct me off somewhere.

Here's a pic from a google search



Mark

[Bash]

I see what you're saying. That's a goofy looking rig, especially the genoa. I think she'd more accurately be described as a semi-gaff-rigged schooner. A hermaphordite schooner?

I found these pics online: Johann Smidt

[nigel1]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

That link isnt working right, its trying to direct me off somewhere.

Here's a pic from a google search



Mark

Sorry Mark, link should go to the boats details page on the tall ship race website, never mind.
Probably be seeing lots of Red over Greens tonight, and you never know, maybe some red over reds

[MichaelC]

It is a very common schooner rig with a marconi main. Atkins designed several, and they are often seen on the East Coast. Not so common out here on the Left Coast. It is supposed to give you better windward performance, while maintaining the gaff schooner image. Doesn't work for me.

[MikeTurner]

Michael C above beat me to it, but from the photo he's right, it's a schooner with marconi main, gaff foresail and a genoa jib (tacked to the tip of the bowsprit). It's also rigged with a staysail (the inner jib, tacked to the stem). This is similar to the rig on my schooner (a 1979 Lazyjack 32 schooner, designed by Ted Brewer and built in fiberglass by Hermann Boatworks in New York) except that I don't have the staysail; my genoa is a 130 on a roller furler.

From the photos at Bash's link, the genoa is "Yankee cut", i.e., the foot is very high off the deck. Partly to see under it, partly to give better draft to the staysail.

The OP says there was also a fore topsail. There's nothing saying this rig couldn't carry such a sail, although most likely it would require a fore top mast to give enough height for it to be flown. I don't have one. What I do have is a "fisherman staysail," which is kind of a trapezoid shape, hoists to the truck of both the fore- and mainmast, tacks to the deck at the base of the foremast and sheets back to the cockpit. It's a light air sail for running and broad reaching, kind of a schooner equivalent of a spinnaker.

I'll try to attach a photo of my boat; it's the standard configuration, I don't have a photo flying the fisherman. Purists will note that I don't have the gaff sail fully topped up (the outboard end of the gaff raised fully), there's a nasty wrinkle in the sail that shouldn't be there.