Originally Posted by DewTheDewDude
Thank you very much for your input! Most appreciated. I'm actually about to get a survey
done on the DE which could be a deciding factor.
Part of the reason I liked the VDS was because of the aft cabin but with it's relatively small demensions, that could be a deal breaker. All though a work
shop area could be cool.
It's crazy that you say the VDS would be smaller than the DE, is that just in regards of ballast?
Also what are your preference on keels? Fin to full? Figured the full keel would be very comfy in the open ocean with less speed and the fin for speed? Would the fin keel not be blue water
Thanks again and happy new years!
Happy New Year DTDD.
Thanks for your reply.
There are many people on CF who are much more knowledgable than me. AND more experienced as well.
But with regard to keels, it seems to me that it is impossible to loose the righting ballast of the DE. No matter how many reefs
or comtainers you nudge you aren't going to loose your keel. And despite the DE's increased wetted surface a full keel must track better than any fin.
Additionally, I suspect others here would like to see the rudder
of the VDS supported my some kind of skeg, but it isn't. It relies on shaft diameter alone to not break or bend.. Surely a whale or whatever could cause the hull/keel join to sustain damage. Imho, a no brainer, integral beats bolted on all day!
With regard to size. The DE has a beam of 11' 10". The VDS has a beam of 11' 4" . Those figures increase the volume of the DE given that the beam is not tucked in at all. As well, it seems that the DE has a longer ( relative) waterline length.
The beam of the DE is carried well aft....wider stern.
Wheras the beam of the VDS is tucked in very tightly, almost to the extent of the old S&S IOR designs. Which makes the VDS a marginally faster boat, albeit at the expense of "hull form stability/ righting moment.
Ive never seen either of these boats but after years of lurking at sailboatdata.com Iv'e picked up a bit (little). I suspect that a wander through both boats would show the DE as a much better cruising option, esp considering the different rigs and keels. And probably very close to the same volume (vol of a sphere).
Yes, a workshop would be lovely. But so would, to me, be a prestigious pedigree with regard to reputation and numbers of boats built. And if I recall correctly the DE is a cutter
rig but the VDS isnt. To me, that is pretty priceless given that furled genoas are known to NOT claw
off lee shores very well. With the cutter
, furl the genoa and bash into it under stays'l and reefed main.
I spent hours searching in South African locations looking for links to Halstead Marine. Found nothing.....there is one Phoenix in Phuket for $10,000 but that boat is a nightmare, by admission the vendor.
I suspect that to many here on CF that the DE would be worth substantially more money
than the VDS. Some will disagree of course.
VDS have a proud reputation of designing fast hulls, but this old fella would rather 'round Cape Horn in the DE.
Fwiw. Cheers Brother/Sister. And good fortune.