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Old 27-02-2014, 22:59   #16
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Thank you boatpoker for the link to Safe Propane installation website... Being British we have absolutely no standards as far as I know and historically, any boats I've sailed on had various installations with one same proviso, turn off the gas at source when you are not using it. Now having a boat in the States I am trying to install propane on an old wooden boat using the ABYC guidelines. My Canadian partner was totally against propane until reading up on the information.
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Very nice article. Thanks. My only concern is that folks who don't understand that "French" can be used as an adjective will be whining about political correctness.
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OP-you are smart to seek out the correct way to do this installation.
West Marine offers "Advisor" sections in its catalog and on line. Check out Safe Propane Installations.

While there is no "law", and you would not have trouble with a USCG inspection, you would run into trouble when you sell your boat if there is a pre-purchase (insurance & value) survey done.
Don't use copper tubing. Do NOT store propane anywhere inside the boat where leaked gas can collect in the bilge (it flows like water.) If you think about it, there is no logic to support having a tank inside at anchor.(????)
You can find propane hoses, solenoids, and plumbing adapters at marine suppliers of course, but also check hardware stores and RV suppliers.
Be sure you fill up with "marine grade" propane. (Just kidding...) Good luck
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... Being British we have absolutely no standards as far as I know . . .
Are you sure? I have the gas system on my UK-flagged boat inspected, tested, and recertified every two or three years, and I get a gas certificate for that. I thought it was obligatory?
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As usual, Boatpoker puts out the best information on CF. The link should be read by every person with LPG or thinking about installing it. Just today on CF there is a post about a boat explosion and a badly burned family. Keep up the good work Boatpoker. ______Grant.
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Thank you boatpoker for the link to Safe Propane installation website... Being British we have absolutely no standards as far as I know and historically, any boats I've sailed on had various installations with one same proviso, turn off the gas at source when you are not using it. Now having a boat in the States I am trying to install propane on an old wooden boat using the ABYC guidelines. My Canadian partner was totally against propane until reading up on the information.

You have both BSS standards ( boat safety scheme ) and CE standards. Both are law unlike ABYC.

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Be sure you fill up with "marine grade" propane. (Just kidding...) Good luck
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You have both BSS standards ( boat safety scheme ) and CE standards. Both are law unlike ABYC.
I should at this point note that the ABYC standards have been included by reference into the US Code of Federal Regulations CFR 33. That makes it law in the US.. Mind you thats only been the case for maybe a year
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I should at this point note that the ABYC standards have been included by reference into the US Code of Federal Regulations CFR 33. That makes it law in the US.. Mind you thats only been the case for maybe a year

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My boo, 33 CFR only incorporates ABYC nav light guidelines. CFR 46 incorporates by reference most of the ABYC. First link is the list of ABYC sections incorporated Second link below is the gas portion of CFR 46.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...sec175-600.pdf

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...sec121-240.pdf
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My boo, 33 CFR only incorporates ABYC nav light guidelines. CFR 46 incorporates by reference most of the ABYC. First link is the list of ABYC sections incorporated Second link below is the gas portion of CFR 46.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...sec175-600.pdf

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...sec121-240.pdf
Good info I did not realize my copy was out of date. Thanks
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Good info I did not realize my copy was out of date. Thanks
Those pesky government types are always adding to the codes. I was surprised that it was the case too, when I found out, months ago.
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Those pesky government types are always adding to the codes. I was surprised that it was the case too, when I found out, months ago.
Whoops, spoke too soon .... looks like 25.45.1 is still in force and refers to
"vessels carrying passengers for hire" only.
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Re: US Laws on a Propane Gas Stove in a sailboat

Here in Queensland Australia, if you have gas on board you need a gas certificate when selling the boat so the buyer can register it. Only good for 30 days from issue. Australia over taxed over governed.

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