Ticket for no whistle in dinghy??

[AA3JY]

Originally Posted by Pete7

What is that ?

Hint: You don’t want to be around it when they turn it on...

https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map...y/view/google/

[contrail]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

I have wondered where the rules for a dinghy stop. What about flares and a fire extinguisher? I have the whistle thing covered, ordered about a pack of ten of them on Amazon years ago for cheap. Put them on life jackets until I ran out.

Well, you may be interested to know that I have been stopped for not having flares.....in an inflatable! And, for not carrying the mother ship's registration, as the dinghy is a "tender to.....". I didn't have a fire extinguisher, either, and that might actually have come in handy, particularly if I did have flares, but they didn't care about that.

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by AA3JY

My comments and observations are fairly current as our boat is located at Rocky’s boat yard, along with 300 of our closest friends , which is located just south of the Sub bases fence line...

Still I’d be surprised if you talked to them if they were Sailors and not Civilians who worked for a security company that won the contract. The uniforms will look similar but if you get close you will notice.
Anyone in the Military can tell you that Civilians fill the majority of the non Combat jobs on post, that frees up the Military to be deployed and then you can have more “warfighters” and stay within the mandated size limits on the Military, the Civilians free up the service members to be deployed etc.

As an example the US Army’s Aviation school is in Ft Rucker, there aren’t all that many Soldiers there, all the aircraft maintenance, even the arming of the gunships on the range etc is all done by Civilians, it was a 5,000 man contract that Dyncorp had, that later lost the contract to Army Fleet Services. A company owned by a couple of Retired Generals, imagine that.

They could be SP’s but I’d be surprised if they were

This article tells you how many Civilian Employees there are around here. It’s a big number
https://www.floridatrend.com/article...itary-presence

On edit, most often the Civilian Jobs are DOD civilians, and most often there are more contractors, almost always in fact as contractors are cheaper and Retired Generals and Admirals etc can own the companies. DOD civilian is a very hard job to get.
So the 10 or 12 thousand civilian jobs quoted in that article may not include Contractors

[redneckrob]

Originally Posted by contrail

Well, you may be interested to know that I have been stopped for not having flares.....in an inflatable! And, for not carrying the mother ship's registration, as the dinghy is a "tender to.....". I didn't have a fire extinguisher, either, and that might actually have come in handy, particularly if I did have flares, but they didn't care about that.

First off a night signal is required in any boat at night, as I posted earlier. Second, you can safely operate flares from an inflatable liferaft, that's one of their primary use cases and I've done it numerous times in training. So you could certainly operate one safely from an inflatable dinghy. Happy to provide some instruction on how to accomplish that if you would like?

As far as registration, anywhere in the U.S. that requires boat registration requires the dinghy be separately registered and follow all laws for a boat of its size. This "mothership" concept simply doesn't exist in law, it's vital for everyone holding that view to jettison it!

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by contrail

Well, you may be interested to know that I have been stopped for not having flares.....in an inflatable! And, for not carrying the mother ship's registration, as the dinghy is a "tender to.....". I didn't have a fire extinguisher, either, and that might actually have come in handy, particularly if I did have flares, but they didn't care about that.

Extinguishers are only required if there are enclosed compartments, the fuel tank is permanently mounted or if the tank is too heavy to move by hand.

https://www.uscgboating.org/images/420.PDF
Pg 13 of the PDF, pg 22 of the brochure.

[AA3JY]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

Still I’d be surprised if you talked to them if they were Sailors and not Civilians who worked for a security company that won the contract. The uniforms will look similar but if you get close you will notice.
Anyone in the Military can tell you that Civilians fill the majority of the non Combat jobs on post, that frees up the Military to be deployed and then you can have more “warfighters” and stay within the mandated size limits on the Military, the Civilians free up the service members to be deployed etc.

As an example the US Army’s Aviation school is in Ft Rucker, there aren’t all that many Soldiers there, all the aircraft maintenance, even the arming of the gunships on the range etc is all done by Civilians, it was a 5,000 man contract that Dyncorp had, that later lost the contract to Army Fleet Services. A company owned by a couple of Retired Generals, imagine that.

They could be SP’s but I’d be surprised if they were

This article tells you how many Civilian Employees there are around here. It’s a big number
https://www.floridatrend.com/article...itary-presence

On edit, most often the Civilian Jobs are DOD civilians, and most often there are more contractors, almost always in fact as contractors are cheaper and Retired Generals and Admirals etc can own the companies. DOD civilian is a very hard job to get.
So the 10 or 12 thousand civilian jobs quoted in that article may not include Contractors

Marine Corps Security Force Battalion, Kings Bay conducts security operations in Direct Support (DS) of SWFLANT. The battalion is commanded by a senior Marine Corps officer and provides security operations as approved by the Chief of Naval Operations, in coordination with the Commandant of the Marine Corps, As of June 27, 2008, MCSFCO was restructured from a company to a battalion.In addition to Marine Corps security forces, they are joined by Navy Master-at-Arms and Navy Law Enforcement/Security Officers with the 6490 designator. Both Masters-at-Arms and Navy Law Enforcement/Security Officers are part of the larger U.S. Navy Security Forces and the
United States Coast Guard (USCG) Maritime Force Protection Unit

Foredeck of the newly commissioned USCGC Sea Dog, showing all three machine guns.
One of the first Maritime Force Protection Units was established by the United States Coast Guard (USCG) at Kings Bay. The Maritime Force Protection Unit provides escort protection for the submarines as they transit on the surface, to and from their homeports. The unit includes some smaller vessels, and two Marine Protector class cutters, the USCGC Sea Dragon and the USCGC Sea Dog.

https://www.mcsfr.marines.mil/Units/...-Kings-Bay-GA/

[garyfdl]

Originally Posted by Pete7

What is that ?

It's the transporter device (a la Star Trek) developed by Area 51 from alien technology we got from the crashed UFO's in the '50's and 60's.

They use it to send the subs out as it puts them on station immediately and saves on transit times, allowing the boats to be operational in seconds instead of weeks.

It's classified (super, double, top-secret, if I tell you I have to kill you, God's eyes only) so don't tell anyone.

(I thought everybody knew this... )

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by AA3JY

Marine Corps Security Force Battalion, Kings Bay conducts security operations in Direct Support (DS) of SWFLANT. The battalion is commanded by a senior Marine Corps officer and provides security operations as approved by the Chief of Naval Operations, in coordination with the Commandant of the Marine Corps, As of June 27, 2008, MCSFCO was restructured from a company to a battalion.In addition to Marine Corps security forces, they are joined by Navy Master-at-Arms and Navy Law Enforcement/Security Officers with the 6490 designator. Both Masters-at-Arms and Navy Law Enforcement/Security Officers are part of the larger U.S. Navy Security Forces and the
United States Coast Guard (USCG) Maritime Force Protection Unit

Foredeck of the newly commissioned USCGC Sea Dog, showing all three machine guns.
One of the first Maritime Force Protection Units was established by the United States Coast Guard (USCG) at Kings Bay. The Maritime Force Protection Unit provides escort protection for the submarines as they transit on the surface, to and from their homeports. The unit includes some smaller vessels, and two Marine Protector class cutters, the USCGC Sea Dragon and the USCGC Sea Dog.

https://www.mcsfr.marines.mil/Units/...-Kings-Bay-GA/

As I said earlier, the Military security forces are there, it’s just not often that their time is spent guarding, sometimes yes, but often you see civilians.
I’ve been to King’s Bay many times to buy groceries, and often at the gate you see civilians as often if not moreso than Military.
Of course your not going to believe me, but that’s fine.

You will often see big RIB’s guarding military installations, come up river to Jax and you will see several along the way, and I’m sure you will at NAS JAX too, heck even the Scuba school in Panama City where I kept My last boat had guards in RIB’s

[BlackHeron]

Originally Posted by AA3JY

Look familiar?

Degaussing apparatus.

[AA3JY]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

As I said earlier, the Military security forces are there, it’s just not often that their time is spent guarding, sometimes yes, but often you see civilians.
I’ve been to King’s Bay many times to buy groceries, and often at the gate you see civilians as often if not moreso than Military.
Of course your not going to believe me, but that’s fine.

You will often see big RIB’s guarding military installations, come up river to Jax and you will see several along the way, and I’m sure you will at NAS JAX too, heck even the Scuba school in Panama City where I kept My last boat had guards in RIB’s

..besides I can’t see some ‘Grunt’ General allowing some private contractor being allowed guarding this nations nuclear sub capable facility...

[AA3JY]

Originally Posted by BlackHeron

Degaussing apparatus.

Deperming/Degaussing facility

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Deperming

[Bill Seal]

That's what THEY WANT you to believe.

[AA3JY]

Originally Posted by AA3JY

..besides I can’t see some ‘Grunt’ General allowing some private contractor being allowed guarding this nations nuclear sub capable facility...

..but then again..


https://books.google.com/books?id=5D...20base&f=false

[DougR]

Originally Posted by Jammer

I have never read a report of an accident or close call involving small boats that could have been prevented by the boats involved possessing a whistle.


I have never heard a report of someone successfully using a whistle on a small boat to prevent an accident that could not have been prevented any other way.


While I have never been ticketed I am at the point where I am ready to accept that a certain number of citations for chickens*** violations are part of the cost of being on the water.

Here’s a true life story of the successful use of a whistle.......

This incident happened to a friend/dockmate of mine two years ago during the Chicago-Mac race. This gentleman, a top flight racer, sailor, ex USN fighter pilot was crew chief/ navigator on a Farr 40 taking part in the race. Middle of the night they were tearing up Lake Michigan with the code 0 up making about 14-15 kits and he went below to check the navigation. Suddenly the boat was hit by a heavy gust and all hands were called to bring in the chute. Just as he cleared the companionway a heavy gust hit, putting the rain down and he launched thru the life lines into the water, while the boat sailed away at high speed.

Luckily he had his inflatable PDF on, unluckily the waist strap wasn’t fastened, luckily the PFD inflated , unluckily both of the two MOB lights failed. Luckily he also had a whistle attached to the PFD...

Long story short......they got the sails down and turned the boat around within about 1/2 mile, he managed to hang on to the PFD, but could not fasten the waist strap, so had to hang on with both hands. Maydays were called and several yachts helped with the search in the 3’ + seas. He was found and rescued largely as a result of the whistle that was fastened to the PFD! He was almost hypothermic and they dropped out and headed for the nearest shoreside medical assistance.

Takeaway for the yacht:
- All new PFDs with crotch straps, spray guards to allow easier breathing in high seas, extra heavy duty loud whistles, better MOB lights with backup.
- MOB button installed in several locations. They had an MOB button, but it was on the chart plotter down below. In the chaos no one pressed it...
- Autorelease MOB module

DougR

[thinwater]

Originally Posted by DougR

Here’s a true life story of the successful use of a whistle.......

This incident happened to a friend/dockmate of mine two years ago during the Chicago-Mac race. This gentleman, a top flight racer, sailor, ex USN fighter pilot was crew chief/ navigator on a Farr 40 taking part in the race. Middle of the night they were tearing up Lake Michigan with the code 0 up making about 14-15 kits and he went below to check the navigation. Suddenly the boat was hit by a heavy gust and all hands were called to bring in the chute. Just as he cleared the companionway a heavy gust hit, putting the rain down and he launched thru the life lines into the water, while the boat sailed away at high speed.

Luckily he had his inflatable PDF on, unluckily the waist strap wasn’t fastened, luckily the PFD inflated , unluckily both of the two MOB lights failed. Luckily he also had a whistle attached to the PFD...

Long story short......they got the sails down and turned the boat around within about 1/2 mile, he managed to hang on to the PFD, but could not fasten the waist strap, so had to hang on with both hands. Maydays were called and several yachts helped with the search in the 3’ + seas. He was found and rescued largely as a result of the whistle that was fastened to the PFD! He was almost hypothermic and they dropped out and headed for the nearest shoreside medical assistance.

Takeaway for the yacht:
- All new PFDs with crotch straps, spray guards to allow easier breathing in high seas, extra heavy duty loud whistles, better MOB lights with backup.
- MOB button installed in several locations. They had an MOB button, but it was on the chart plotter down below. In the chaos no one pressed it...
- Autorelease MOB module

DougR

There you go. Not a dinghy, but a success story. And earlier I gave and example of my daughter's successful use of a whistle on a dinghy.



But we still had at least 70 examples of whining. Over a 10 cent whistle.