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03-06-2022, 02:03
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
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Originally Posted by s/v Jedi
in-mast furling have plenty outs but not so much ins...  |
Actually, you've got it backwards -- when people have problems with in-mast furling, it's almost always when the sail comes out, not when it goes in.
I would bet money you've never had a boat with this system -- am I right? The secret of reliability is three things: (a) know how to use it, and it's not obvious or simple; (b) keep system maintained -- well lubricated and clean, and foil properly tensioned; (c) never ever ever a baggy sail, and best of all never any Dacron. Fulfill these three things, and in-mast is equally reliable to slab reefing.
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03-06-2022, 02:33
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Nearly an old salt
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
Keep the boom height right and keep light clew tension when reefing or furling. Zero problems with in mast.
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03-06-2022, 02:41
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
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03-06-2022, 02:45
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Nearly an old salt
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
Everyone has a ripped sail picture
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03-06-2022, 02:52
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
The extra bulk of the mast, creating windage and weight aloft, so many boats arriving in Panama with their mains cut away top to bottom to survive the storms, crew with bashed in ribs from going up aloft offshore to cut it down…
The full battens to create what they dare to call big roach… it’s a joke.
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03-06-2022, 03:45
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
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So what? You can wreck anything by using it wrong.
I have ripped sail pictures of every kind of sail.
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I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
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We must have a turn together . . . . I undress . . . . hurry me out of sight of the land,
Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I can repay you."
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03-06-2022, 03:58
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail furling
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Originally Posted by donradcliffe
Last summer I brought a boat back from Hawaii with a roller furling main. Never again. I made it back without cutting the sail away, but it was a near thing and I have used up my karma points. If you want me to bring another one back, I'll be busy. |
Hell, send them my way!!!!
As long as the main is not blown out
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03-06-2022, 07:02
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
I have sailed on all three configurations: mast, boom, and stack. My boat has a stackpack. The more modern thing is the furling boom. Seems to work well and you can see what is going on. I love the stackpack's ability to drop the sail instantly but I do tend to go to the mast to haul it down. Mostly it's great for getting off the boat quickly without juggling lazy jacks and sail covers. However, you have to be careful raising the main to avoid catching the battens in the jacks. Hope that helps.
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03-06-2022, 07:36
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
I have had a Bavaria 35 with Selden in mast furling (vintage 1997) for 5 years and zero problems. I now have Jeanneau 42 with France Spar furler.
I only had once a problem with France spar, to pull sail out because i failed to keep the outhaul tensioned and the sail was slamming when rolled in. With horizontal boom, light tension on outhaul and sail a little charged, i have never had any furthet problem. I am 71 and furling main is a bonus, as it allows me to have exposed exactly the sail surface i need in any given condition.
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03-06-2022, 07:44
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
"Like the pun? Ins AND outs. Get it?"
I like the spin you put on this thread.
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03-06-2022, 07:58
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Gulf Coast
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail furling
We have a in mass further. We love it and have no problems. If you roll it up correctly you will never have a problem
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03-06-2022, 07:59
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Gulf Coast
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail furling
I totally disagree. You must not be rolling it up correctly
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03-06-2022, 08:38
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
Besides the possibility or should I say inevitably they will jam but can be unjammed their is one thing to remember. Every Roller Furling main furls in one direction. If you furl it the wrong way you will be dragging the main along the edge of mast. This will dramatically shorten the life of the main.
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03-06-2022, 08:38
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
OP here. A quick reminder. To get this good deal on this boat model I really want, I get a (mast) furler or no boat. There is not another one for sale in the US. I'm not looking for advice on what to choose; I'm looking for advice on the choice that was made for me. If the sail doesn't have much life left, It's likely I'll double down on changing to a stacking main with a nice low friction cars on the mast and well designed lazy jacks. The P.O has promised me tutoring and previous to any conversions, I'll do my best to follow you alls and the PO's tutelage.
Kurt
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03-06-2022, 08:40
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Re: The ins and outs of mainsail in-mast furling
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Originally Posted by Happ
Besides the possibility or should I say inevitably they will jam but can be unjammed their is one thing to remember. Every Roller Furling main furls in one direction. If you furl it the wrong way you will be dragging the main along the edge of mast. This will dramatically shorten the life of the main.
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You're saying to be mindful of which tack we're on before furling?
Kurt
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