Starlink Roam

[wholybee]

Originally Posted by Drunkonwatch View Post
I hope this is all CF bull. Elon’s ego savvy business instincts greed wants to see them everywhere at the highest price he can sell them for wouldn’t jump to conclusions about it.

Originally Posted by Starbuck

There, FIFY

There. FIFY again.

[WE9V]

$200/month is still a bargain.

$200 today, $250 soon, $300 soon after that.

RV was $120 less than a year ago, $130 a few months ago, and $150 today. Plenty of bait and switch.

[RedneckRedcoat]

Originally Posted by bergius

At least for me there FAQ states:

Now that they specifically mention “land use” I wouldn’t rely on Starlink Roam being available for boats much longer.

I really don’t see this happening. In our marina alone out of 70 boats 20’of them have starlink. Most of the full time cruisers have them now. That starts to add up quite rapidly, I would say that if that did come into effect he would loose a large number of customers and a lot of his revenue. He is a business man and won’t risk loosing that. I can see the price going up but to be honest I’d pay $200 -$300 a month for the benefits it gives as a remote working professional.

I think a lot of people are getting worried over nothing when it comes to land use. Technically you shouldn’t be using the rv version anyways as it’s an FCC licensing violation that’s why the standard antenna stops working at 8 knotts

Amazon just announced their offerings so soon there will be some competition. What will happen is everyone will bounce back and forth just like we did when we bought dish or Hugh’s net satellite TV

[jordanbigel]

Originally Posted by WE9V

$200 today, $250 soon, $300 soon after that.

RV was $120 less than a year ago, $130 a few months ago, and $150 today. Plenty of bait and switch.

I don't think that term means what you think it means.

"Bait and Switch" is a con where you are offered product A at price X but instead you receive product C. There is no "switch" here.

Instead, this is a simple case of a business raising its prices because they can. Businesses do this all the time whether its tires, airplane tickets, internet service, cell phone plans, the price of freaking apples in the supermarket FFS. Basically every seller of every product experiments with raising (and sometimes lowering) prices to achieve higher profits.

This is not "bait and switch".

[chubby]

Originally Posted by RedneckRedcoat

I really don’t see this happening. In our marina alone out of 70 boats 20’of them have starlink. Most of the full time cruisers have them now. That starts to add up quite rapidly, I would say that if that did come into effect he would loose a large number of customers and a lot of his revenue. He is a business man and won’t risk loosing that. I can see the price going up but to be honest I’d pay $200 -$300 a month for the benefits it gives as a remote working professional.

I think a lot of people are getting worried over nothing when it comes to land use. Technically you shouldn’t be using the rv version anyways as it’s an FCC licensing violation that’s why the standard antenna stops working at 8 knotts

Amazon just announced their offerings so soon there will be some competition. What will happen is everyone will bounce back and forth just like we did when we bought dish or Hugh’s net satellite TV

and this is huge..

while Amazon Kuiper rather far behind (they plan to start service in 2024..and i do *not* believe they have a single satellite in orbit) them being in the market is critical.
i believe they plan to offer tiers...up to Giga+ speeds.. and them being "amazon" they should have no problems making themselves known/competing with Starlink.
they really is no downside to competition...

(unless you want future monopolistic behaviors from starlink)

[chris5977]

I am currently cruising in Mexico with a Starlink I bought here. It's amazing:

1. Equipment costs half as much as the US.
2. Service costs half as much as the US.
3. Service works 30nm offshore in the Pacific.
4. Service works everywhere in the Sea of Cortez where you can get 100nm offshore when crossing.

[wholybee]

Originally Posted by RedneckRedcoat

I really don’t see this happening. In our marina alone out of 70 boats 20’of them have starlink. Most of the full time cruisers have them now. That starts to add up quite rapidly, I would say that if that did come into effect he would loose a large number of customers and a lot of his revenue. He is a business man and won’t risk loosing that. I can see the price going up but to be honest I’d pay $200 -$300 a month for the benefits it gives as a remote working professional.

I think a lot of people are getting worried over nothing when it comes to land use. Technically you shouldn’t be using the rv version anyways as it’s an FCC licensing violation that’s why the standard antenna stops working at 8 knotts

Amazon just announced their offerings so soon there will be some competition. What will happen is everyone will bounce back and forth just like we did when we bought dish or Hugh’s net satellite TV

People didn't see portability changing from something that just worked to something that only worked if you paid extra, or the discontinuing of portability altogether either, or the raising of prices, or a separate product for in motion use.

Use on boats isn't going away, and probably won't be prohibitively expensive. But, like the roam add on, there will likely be an add on for use offshore.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by WE9V

$200 today, $250 soon, $300 soon after that.

RV was $120 less than a year ago, $130 a few months ago, and $150 today. .

The end user sets the price

If enough end users drop out the price must come down to meet the market
But while people keep piling in, happy to pay, prices will rise.

[akopac]

Originally Posted by wholybee

If your work all the math, and assume new equipment professionally installed (most Cruisers would need an HF to be professionally installed of good performance) The Iridium Go! is cheaper for 15-20 years. Only after that time do the subscription costs total the upfront cost of an HF system. HF equipment is very expensive. Of course, the technically inclined cruiser that is a HAM could find used gear and do it cheaper, but even then the Go! is cheaper for a few years.



Starlink is not a substitute for a Go!. Period, no ifs or buts. In another recent thread, there was discussion of Starlink being involved with a rescue, which is great. But the crew of the sunken vessel were in their liferaft with a Go!, communicating with another vessel with an Inreach. If they had ditched the Go! in favor of S/L, they might be dead now.



Starlink is going through round after round of price hikes, and increasing restrictions. Iridium is a known quantity, both in cost, and that you know the service will be there when you need it.

Off the shelf yes, but not through active opportunist channels. Fellow puddle jumpers is putting his setup together right now in La Paz. Radio, tuner, and Pactor modem total cost was $25.
Radio free from fellow cruiser
Tuner $25 from swap meet
Pactor modem free from me

[akopac]

Interesting video attached. Not sure I’d change Starlink plan. I got a RV roaming plan in MX for relatively cheap. I wouldn’t change the plan quit yet. I’m waiting to see what happens after I jump the puddle.
https://youtu.be/anr2-FAb5ks

[Alistair242]

That’s great if you remain within a continent. What happens when you start crossing oceans and/or borders from one continent to the next?
Can you forward your existing service to a new address in another country?

[chubby]

Originally Posted by Alistair242

That’s great if you remain within a continent. What happens when you start crossing oceans and/or borders from one continent to the next?
Can you forward your existing service to a new address in another country?

what's curious is the "maritime" hardware seems to be the same flat high performance(in motion) starlink with the same flat mount some of us already have...with the same wifi router that many of us also don't need/use..



the curious part is you CAN "pause" the $1000/mo maritime plan...
if you need that "priority" when crossing an ocean that 1 month in your life.. you have it.
my question...

..is when cruising.. we SHOULD be able down grade to a "no priority" roam plan... right?
and flip side... if you have the "in motion" starlink.. it SHOULD be good for the maritime plan, right?



(my plan is currently paused.. and i just see a "resume service" button on app..nothing about changing plans)



my opinion, the writing is on the wall that residential/business/portability plans will be seeing enforcement of geofencing

[akopac]

Originally Posted by Alistair242

That’s great if you remain within a continent. What happens when you start crossing oceans and/or borders from one continent to the next?
Can you forward your existing service to a new address in another country?

Interesting you should mention that. I ran into a fellow cruiser who went from the UK across and down thru the Panama Canal, then up to MX. Never lost Starlink access.
But then there was the recent puddle jump incident with the whale and they seem to have had Starlink access too. https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic...whale-pacific/

[sailorboy1]

here is the thing

if you can not handle the idea that the terms of Stark Link may change (boater using the RV system are already not following the terms) THEN ............just don't get it

[Off Trail]

SpaceX has been pouring investment into deploying thousands of Starlink satellites and the accompanying ground gateway infrastructure. At the moment, and for some time to come, they simply have no incentive to put up barriers to new users. Every new subscriber brings highly-sought revenue.

While government barriers are the biggest hurdle, they are currently hiding behind the fig leaf of "terms of service" to restrict use of the system. Unless and until they start pushing up against overall constellation capacity, I'm betting on things staying pretty loose. Geofencing and similar tactics will just lose customers.

But of course things can change. In the meantime, might as well enjoy the access.