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Old 27-02-2021, 09:50   #1
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I am going to try I am both main sheet to tiller steering and headsail to tiller steering. I have an Alberg 30. Does anybody have any suggestions as to which method is better
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Re: Sheet to tiller steering

https://jesterchallenge.files.wordpr...r-jr-small.pdf

Pretty much the gold standard, available in pdf for free.
He looks at things from an aeronautical engineers viewpoint, (positive damping vs negative feedback).
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Re: Sheet to tiller

Extract on sheet to tiller self-steering, from Gerard Dijkstra’s book, “Self steering for Yachts”.
https://jesterchallenge.files.wordpr...-to-tiller.pdf
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I want to try sheet to tiller steering and head sail to tiller steering. Does anyone know from experience which one is a better method?

There is no "better." There is a CHOICE.


Much depends on your boat and how it's rigged.


On my Catalina 25 (from 1987 to 98), I used the mainsheet. Why? Because it was a tiller steered boat with end boom sheeting, and the lines were all right there. It worked excellently going upwind and to a close reach, but once off the wind not so much. I used to be able to tack up the Cityfront on SF Bay!


Letcher's book covers all the methods. You have to try them out to see what works for you on your boat.


Good luck, it is so much fun!
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Re: Sheet to tiller

Harry, why start two of the same threads? Not helpful. I answered on the other one.
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Re: Sheet to tiller steering

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https://jesterchallenge.files.wordpr...r-jr-small.pdf



Pretty much the gold standard, available in pdf for free.

He looks at things from an aeronautical engineers viewpoint, (positive damping vs negative feedback).

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Nope, the Gold Standard is “Self-steering Without a Windvane: A Comprehensive Manual of Natural and Sheet-to-tiller Steering Systems for Sailboats” by Lee Woas

Whole book is multiple methods for doing the same thing using different arrangements so that if one method doesn’t work on your boat there’s another one to try.

Lectcher’s book was the gold standard for DIY windvanes. Arguably Walt Murray’s website has become that. Walt died but the site was mirrored:

https://windvaneselfsteering.com/walt-murrays-website
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Merged now.
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Re: Sheet to tiller steering

Hi Harry, I used to use this method on my Yankee Dolphin and learned from Lecher’s book. I found that going to the jib works best on a broad reach. For close reach or beating the main works best. Have fun with it.
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Nope, the Gold Standard is “Self-steering Without a Windvane: A Comprehensive Manual of Natural and Sheet-to-tiller Steering Systems for Sailboats” by Lee Woas

Whole book is multiple methods for doing the same thing using different arrangements so that if one method doesn’t work on your boat there’s another one to try.

Lectcher’s book was the gold standard for DIY windvanes. Arguably Walt Murray’s website has become that. Walt died but the site was mirrored:

https://windvaneselfsteering.com/walt-murrays-website

Thanks for the other reference to Woas' work.


For those who don't know John's book, Letcher's was MUCH MORE than DIY windvanes. The entire first half of the book was an analysis of how boats sail, and how he developed his sheet to tiller options.


So, if you're not into windvanes (now, or yet...), Letcher's book is still amazingly helpful.
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any reason this cannot be adapted to wheel steering?
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Re: Sheet to tiller steering

One thing I am going to try this spring or summer is a hanked-on version of the twizzle rig: https://www.simetric.co.uk/twizzle_r...g.htm#windward
I don't know if you have a hanked-on headsail or not but either way, for downiwind, this may be an option for you also since the other sheet-to-tiller set-ups have a hard time downwind. Dijkstra's book shows on page 118 options E and F but does not show the twizzle rig method of not mounting the poles to the deck or mast but supended together. I haven't tried it yet but I've got 2 headsails and 2 long oar shafts ready to go for the venture.
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any reason this cannot be adapted to wheel steering?
Take a look at this video - when I asked him if it would work on a wheel steered boat he said it would, will just have to cross the lines to the bottom of the wheel on the opposite side. I am planning to try it this summer.

https://youtu.be/5Fh5eu0cd3s
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I am going to try I am both main sheet to tiller steering and headsail to tiller steering. I have an Alberg 30. Does anybody have any suggestions as to which method is better
I love setting up my Alacrity 19 to self steer.
Things to do
1. First balance your sailboat with just a bungee holding the tiller.
2. Allow her to make a s pattern but do not touch anything for at least 10 mins. You will be making a s pattern not a steady course but she should always come back.
3. Adjust the main and jib sheet until you are happy that your sailboat is well balanced. It is very important you wait a at least 10 mins between adjustments.
You will still be sailing an s pattern but it should be smaller.
4. Then add the sheet to tiller.

Remember in all feedback systems will not hold a completely steady course. You will always make a s pattern but it should be small.
After you drift off course
1. The natural balance of the sails will bring you back on course.
2. The sheet to tiller will just do this a little earlier and will handle slowly shifting winds better.

Here is a video where I sailed over 5 hours with just a bungee holding the tiller. Notice at the end of the video the USCG issued a small craft advisory.

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Extract on sheet to tiller self-steering, from Gerard Dijkstra’s book, “Self steering for Yachts”.
https://jesterchallenge.files.wordpr...-to-tiller.pdf
I sailed a Luna 24 Newport-Bermuda and back in 1986 with nothing but sheet-tiller. By the time I got back I could make it work pretty well. Well enough that the first thing I did was buy an electronic autopilot.
It was the slowest offshore passages I ever made, mostly because every time I went to sleep it seemed the wind changed and when I woke I was going back where I came from.
Yes, it kind of works, it was fun to play with . It might be useful when everything else breaks.
I carried the gear a few years later on a 10,000 mile Atlantic Circle, but when both my pilots quit I steered 20 hours by hand rather than bothering with it!
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That doesn’t sound too promising. I will try to play around with it. Thank you for the info. All info is good whether it’s good news or not.
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