RANT Canadian vessel name RANT

[BigNut]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

1. No where in there does it say licensed boats may not leave Canada



2. No where in there does it say Boats must be registered in the residential province of the owner.



Care to quote the section that does say such ?

How would you define: “required”?

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by BigNut

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How would you define: “required”?

That refers to commercial vessels. The guide is not the law it's just a guide and a poorly written one at that. One must go to the Canada Gazette for the actual law which states those requirements apply to commercial vessels.

[BigNut]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

That refers to commercial vessels. The guide is not the law it's just a guide and a poorly written one at that. One must go to the Canada Gazette for the actual law.

OK, you’re now saying the TC website is providing inaccurate information.

If you follow the website, it actually leads you through a decision process that says registration is required when you choose leaving Canada. So, if you want to take it up with them, feel free.

I would suggest that you provide corroborating evidence when you suggest someone else makes a statement that is backed up with a government link that supports that statement.

So: Care to provide the regulation supporting your claims?

[BigNut]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

That refers to commercial vessels. The guide is not the law it's just a guide and a poorly written one at that. One must go to the Canada Gazette for the actual law which states those requirements apply to commercial vessels.

See, boatpoker, I am NOT saying that you cannot travel without registering your vessel. I am saying that TC says that is what you need to do for international travel.

I have always required a registration when checking in to foreign countries with our boat. (Only about a dozen so far, to be honest). One hears of folks providing less than appropriate documentation, and getting away with it.

That is not a risk I am willing to take.

But if things go south, you longer are holding any documentation worth anything.

[Chayal]

This thread is the definition of “first world problems”

[Breezeonthebay]

One of the Best Reads in a long time. Enjoyed your sense of humor mixed with frustration. Hang n there it will come to you.. Good Luck

[RaymondR]

It may not be the fault of the Canadian federal authorities. There is an international convention on ships registration which may have conditions on appropriate names.

In assisting a friend of mine with a problem I discovered that for years he had been clearing his vessel in and out of the country on an expired fishing boat license from another country. Could have bit him in the butt had he had ever had a legal problem but does tend to indicate how far you can get with bureaucrats if you just fill in every space in the form.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by BigNut

OK, you’re now saying the TC website is providing inaccurate information.

If you follow the website, it actually leads you through a decision process that says registration is required when you choose leaving Canada. So, if you want to take it up with them, feel free.

I would suggest that you provide corroborating evidence when you suggest someone else makes a statement that is backed up with a government link that supports that statement.

So: Care to provide the regulation supporting your claims?

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I have emailed the Registrar and will post her response here. It usually takes a couple of days.

[BigNut]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

I have emailed the Registrar and will post her response here. It usually takes a couple of days.

Thanks. At least, it will be from the horse’s mouth, eh?

[PuttingDoctor]

Interesting “rant.”
I’ve registered 2 sailing vessels in Canada from my home in Florida. Yes I am a Permanent Resident Alien. I simply use my sister’s address in Ontario for mail.
A name must be unique to the designated port of call. So each time I researched registered names. The first appeared to be taken “Sea Castle” got the second name choice “Sea Castle II”. My next was Grace and nothing showed in Toronto! So off it went and came back with choice number two again the winner. Grace II it is. I was originally chapped but soon calmed down as it had to be meant to be .... Grace II came with a super dinghy Zodiac Yachtline with 30 hp Nissan already bearing the name Grace Too.
Some stories you just can’t make up.

[CaptTom]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

It may not be the fault of the Canadian federal authorities. There is an international convention on ships registration which may have conditions on appropriate names.

I doubt there's an international requirement that the name be unique. A casual search on any of the AIS vessel locator sites will turn up multiple named vessels, even multiples with the same flag state. The US certainly does not enforce any such restriction on documented vessel names.

Originally Posted by PuttingDoctor

A name must be unique to the designated port of call.

This makes a bit more sense, although again I don't think the US imposes this restriction. They also allow US documented vessels to choose any geographic place name in the country as a hailing port, even if there's no port, or even any waterway, there.

[Tetepare]

I’m sorry OP but I find this absolutely hilarious. Because this is the type of crap and incompetence that usually befalls me.

And I thought NYS DMV was screwed up!

Thanks for the story, you made my day. And good luck to you.

[sail34]

Hi
I had the same problem years ago when my vessel name was registered all the way up to number 6. Instead of doing 7 i added eh! on the end of my name. I certainly helped with clearing in in the Carribbean You could be Rant eh!

[Sunsetrider]

Just to repeat: there is NO SUCH THING as provincial vessel licensing or registration. Folks should stop asserting that. Service Ontario can only point you in the right direction.
Licensing records the licence number on the hull. It does not confirm ownership. Only registration provides proof of ownership, whether or not you leave the country.

[BigNut]

Originally Posted by Sunsetrider

Just to repeat: there is NO SUCH THING as provincial vessel licensing or registration. Folks should stop asserting that. Service Ontario can only point you in the right direction.
Licensing records the licence number on the hull. It does not confirm ownership. Only registration provides proof of ownership, whether or not you leave the country.

Makes sense. Which is why TC offers both.