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Old 20-02-2018, 17:30   #46
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Everyone should have a few days worth of food and water. And you need to consider the specific dangers of your own area -eg prevalence of forest fires or landslides.

Beyond that, your best prepping is to be trustworthy and to have friends.

If your prepping involves camo, MREs and weapons, you've probably listened to Alex Jones too often.
I had to google Alex Jones - yeah he sounds a bit out there.

Is it ok if I just have the MREs ? As part of my food and water ?
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So for those of you who are worried about EMP's... Are you aware that the only way we know to generate one is a space burst nuclear weapon? And that testing has been inconclusive, but best guess is even if the grid goes down your appliances and vehicles will be fine, though you may have to restart them. The only real damage is likely to be from very long low voltage lines, like low voltage sensor wires on the grid. Everything else will be fine.
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on my boat I have a week’s worth of underpants in a ziplock bag, a few boxes of pop tarts, and six dozen condoms. I’m prepped for anything.
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So for those of you who are worried about EMP's... Are you aware that the only way we know to generate one is a space burst nuclear weapon? And that testing has been inconclusive, but best guess is even if the grid goes down your appliances and vehicles will be fine, though you may have to restart them. The only real damage is likely to be from very long low voltage lines, like low voltage sensor wires on the grid. Everything else will be fine.
You may want to research that thought a little bit more. Weíve known how to create non nuclear EMPís since the 50ís. And they will certainly cause more damage than just a few lines. Also, itís not a space based weapon. The most damage would be from a high altitude (300-400 miles) burst.
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Where do i get mine ,,, i want a tinfoil hat
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So for those of you who are worried about EMP's... Are you aware that the only way we know to generate one is a space burst nuclear weapon? And that testing has been inconclusive, but best guess is even if the grid goes down your appliances and vehicles will be fine, though you may have to restart them. The only real damage is likely to be from very long low voltage lines, like low voltage sensor wires on the grid. Everything else will be fine.
Greg you really need to research more on emp's
Here is a start for you
https://www.evaluationengineering.co...lse-generation
Besides a high power cms is more likely to cause widespread issues with a direct hit it can take down a power grid for days to years depending on the damage it does.
Here is a start on them.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/...mass-ejections
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So is EMP really that big of a deal for sailors? As far as I can tell, worst case, you’ll lose GPS, autopilot, radar, AIS, VHF, HF, and satcom. Maybe the circuitry in your fridge will fritz out. Newer engines with electric fuel controls might be toast. But you still have paper charts, guide books, TDH skills... is this something to worry about? I’m of the Kretschmer school...use it until it breaks and then convince yourself that you don’t need it. Not on my top 10 worry list.
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So is EMP really that big of a deal for sailors? As far as I can tell, worst case, youíll lose GPS, autopilot, radar, AIS, VHF, HF, and satcom. Maybe the circuitry in your fridge will fritz out. Newer engines with electric fuel controls might be toast. But you still have paper charts, guide books, TDH skills... is this something to worry about? Iím of the Kretschmer school...use it until it breaks and then convince yourself that you donít need it. Not on my top 10 worry list.
EMP's aren't really that big a deal for anyone. Basically to be effected by one you have to be close by a space burst nuclear weapon, at which point wether your electronics are working seems to be rather inconsequential.

The only non-nuclear EMP weapon that has ever made it out of science fiction movies targets buildings not cities, the Boeing CHAMP system. Again if the US military is targeting you with cutting edge high tech weaponry any concern about your microwave seems silly.


Coronal mass ejections however are at least scientifically an issue. But ones large enough to have planet wide effect are pretty rare. The best guess is they occur about every 500 years or so.
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EMP's aren't really that big a deal for anyone. Basically to be effected by one you have to be close by a space burst nuclear weapon, at which point wether your electronics are working seems to be rather inconsequential.

The only non-nuclear EMP weapon that has ever made it out of science fiction movies targets buildings not cities, the Boeing CHAMP system. Again if the US military is targeting you with cutting edge high tech weaponry any concern about your microwave seems silly.


Coronal mass ejections however are at least scientifically an issue. But ones large enough to have planet wide effect are pretty rare. The best guess is they occur about every 500 years or so.
really just ask Quebec about March 1989
Or New York on July 13 1977
Or what about the Carrington event on September 1 1859 all class 8x or larger cme's
Then there is the x9.3 that just barely missed the earth on Sept 17 2017.
Really not quite a rare event . We have just been very lucky.
Btw it will have no effect on small independent systems like on our boats.
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Everyone should have a few days worth of food and water. And you need to consider the specific dangers of your own area -eg prevalence of forest fires or landslides.

Beyond that, your best prepping is to be trustworthy and to have friends.

If your prepping involves camo, MREs and weapons, you've probably listened to Alex Jones too often.
I sort of agree and sort of dont ,,
When the fires come thru ant took everything we had nothing ,,

Now we keep medications in a fire proof safe ( my wife is a cancer patciant )
Also we now have a underground Bunker / safe for our ammo as we dont want them to burn ,,, we dont want (or have the room ) to move in its just temp controlled storage ,,

I do think that everyones needs are different , Some can pick up walk away and find food shelter ,
What if your in a wheelchair or like me 85% blind ?

we all do what we think is the right thing ,,
No right or wrong answers ,,

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Old 20-02-2018, 21:36   #56
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"Prepping" simply means PREPARING. The whole 2000 and 2012 crap created an era of silliness that still lingers today because it was sensationalized on TV and in movies. Back in the day, we were called survivalists. All humans are survivalists whether they wish to acknowledge it or not - survival is a human trait. We are born with it. We must survive in order to perpetuate our species. We must survive to raise our progeny. ANY parent can see this simple truth if they wish to look into themselves.

The difference between one person and the next is whether one takes proactive steps to help ensure their survival, which is defined as preparing. Long ago, we produced more than we consumed. Farming moved the human race out of the hunter/gather age and into a prosperous era, whereby humans could produce and save for difficult times. Western cultures are now in the consumption/service age, which creates the need for such cultures to "prepare." Why? Because most families live hand-to-mouth (like hunter/gatherers) and do little more than save paper rectangles, or worse digital ones and zeros.

As was pointed out earlier, the Just-In-Time delivery system is quite fragile. It would take far less than an EMP/CME/Flare/War to bring that system to its knees. And with no more than 3-days of food, medicine, and fuel available at any one moment in time, a pause in the JIT delivery system could have dire consequences.

Anyone who has been in the Bahamas to the Out Islands can see the problems caused by failed delivery systems. It is even more pronounced after a hurricane.

"Civilization is only 9 meals away from anarchy" - Unknown

If you keep spare parts, jerry cans of extra fuel/water, more than 3-days of food, and preventative medications, then you are prepared. The degree is debatable. If you educate yourself, or keep books that you comprehend on mechanics, medical, food preparation, water filtration, etc. Then you are prepared. Do you have a plan for dealing with unwelcome guests? Yes? You are prepared. Doing any, or all of the above would put you squarely into the "survivalist" camp, or a prepper if that is what you want to call it.

Do you have a life raft? Do you have an EPIRB? Life Jackets (because you want them, not because it's the law)? Harness and tether? You are DEFINITELY a survivalist, and there is no way to deny it.

So far as I am concerned, all cruisers are a form of survivalist, and not the kind shown on TV shows leading up to 2012.

Yes, I am a survivalist. Always have been. Always will be.
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"Prepping" simply means PREPARING. The whole 2000 and 2012 crap created an era of silliness that still lingers today because it was sensationalized on TV and in movies. Back in the day, we were called survivalists. All humans are survivalists whether they wish to acknowledge it or not - survival is a human trait. We are born with it. We must survive in order to perpetuate our species. We must survive to raise our progeny. ANY parent can see this simple truth if they wish to look into themselves.

The difference between one person and the next is whether one takes proactive steps to help ensure their survival, which is defined as preparing. Long ago, we produced more than we consumed. Farming moved the human race out of the hunter/gather age and into a prosperous era, whereby humans could produce and save for difficult times. Western cultures are now in the consumption/service age, which creates the need for such cultures to "prepare." Why? Because most families live hand-to-mouth (like hunter/gatherers) and do little more than save paper rectangles, or worse digital ones and zeros.

As was pointed out earlier, the Just-In-Time delivery system is quite fragile. It would take far less than an EMP/CME/Flare/War to bring that system to its knees. And with no more than 3-days of food, medicine, and fuel available at any one moment in time, a pause in the JIT delivery system could have dire consequences.

Anyone who has been in the Bahamas to the Out Islands can see the problems caused by failed delivery systems. It is even more pronounced after a hurricane.

"Civilization is only 9 meals away from anarchy" - Unknown

If you keep spare parts, jerry cans of extra fuel/water, more than 3-days of food, and preventative medications, then you are prepared. The degree is debatable. If you educate yourself, or keep books that you comprehend on mechanics, medical, food preparation, water filtration, etc. Then you are prepared. Do you have a plan for dealing with unwelcome guests? Yes? You are prepared. Doing any, or all of the above would put you squarely into the "survivalist" camp, or a prepper if that is what you want to call it.

Do you have a life raft? Do you have an EPIRB? Life Jackets (because you want them, not because it's the law)? Harness and tether? You are DEFINITELY a survivalist, and there is no way to deny it.

So far as I am concerned, all cruisers are a form of survivalist, and not the kind shown on TV shows leading up to 2012.

Yes, I am a survivalist. Always have been. Always will be.
I was a prepped/ survivalist long before it was a thing.
I taught wilderness and alpine survival in the late 70's and early 80's . I just need to brush up on edible plants and seaweed.
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Nope.. but do have a m'bike with no chips..
Guess a lot of folk's escape to sea plans will be stuffed.. no paper charts n all.
Absolutely hahahaha. A bike with no chips is gold! But like you said, still need paper charts and an old sextant which is super cool.
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on my boat I have a weekís worth of underpants in a ziplock bag, a few boxes of pop tarts, and six dozen condoms. Iím prepped for anything.
six dozen condoms ?

Far out ,,, Can i borrow a few and a bottle of viagra if you have any ,,,,,,
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EMP's aren't really that big a deal for anyone. Basically to be effected by one you have to be close by a space burst nuclear weapon, at which point wether your electronics are working seems to be rather inconsequential.

The only non-nuclear EMP weapon that has ever made it out of science fiction movies targets buildings not cities, the Boeing CHAMP system. Again if the US military is targeting you with cutting edge high tech weaponry any concern about your microwave seems silly.


Coronal mass ejections however are at least scientifically an issue. But ones large enough to have planet wide effect are pretty rare. The best guess is they occur about every 500 years or so.
Greg,

While I do agree with some of what you say, you don't honestly thing were the only government in the world that has access to EMP weapons do you? Russia and China almost assuredly have this capability as well. What strikes me about threat mitigation and planning and preparing is that getting ready for a CME/EMP threat also carries over to hacking of critical infrastructure. In case your not aware our CI is being hacked daily, mapped, etc. All pre-indicators for a coming attack. We called it reconnaissance in the military and probing.
Russian Hackers Could Seriously Damage U.S. Infrastructure | Fortune
Hacking Critical Infrastructure is Accelerating and More Destructive
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