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TC2014 · 13-01-2014, 16:36

As I read through crew wanted I came across a few terms I wanted some clarification for.

What is the difference between deckhand, competent crew, and experience crew?
Or are they the same label?

What is an inexperience and/or experience passenger?

What would a watch-keeper do...(obvious definition is the same as a look out?)
I also came across a delivery crew? Would that be someone for the logistics...ex; groceries and other things needed for the boat/trip?

Why wouldn't the navigator be the same as a skipper/captain?
Last but not least "other"?

thank you in advance for your help.

jackdale · 13-01-2014, 16:48

Deckhand - usually a big boat term - grunt work.
Competent crew - OK sailor but needs some supervision
Watch-keeper - usually ocean going can work all shifts on deck. Recognizes other vessels, issues, etc..
Delivery crews - assist in the delivery of a vessel from one location another, usually long passages.
Passengers - usually are paying for the experience.
Navigators determine the position of the vessel, establish a course to steer (avoiding hazards and accounting for current), calculate ETA's, etc..
Captains, skippers - are responsible for the safety of the crew and the vessel.
Other - could be cooks, engineers, stewards, etc..
On race boats you have specialized helmsmen, tacticians, grinders, trimmers (main, jib, spinnaker), pit men, mast men, foredeck, etc..

TC2014 · 13-01-2014, 17:38

thank you for clarifying it all for me.

SkiprJohn · 13-01-2014, 18:48

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Originally Posted by jackdale

Deckhand - usually a big boat term - grunt work.
Competent crew - OK sailor but needs some supervision
Watch-keeper - usually ocean going can work all shifts on deck. Recognizes other vessels, issues, etc..
Delivery crews - assist in the delivery of a vessel from one location another, usually long passages.
Passengers - usually are paying for the experience.
Navigators determine the position of the vessel, establish a course to steer (avoiding hazards and accounting for current), calculate ETA's, etc..
Captains, skippers - are responsible for the safety of the crew and the vessel.
Other - could be cooks, engineers, stewards, etc..
On race boats you have specialized helmsmen, tacticians, grinders, trimmers (main, jib, spinnaker), pit men, mast men, foredeck, etc..

Well done! I only disagree with your definition of competent crew unless you believe everyone needs supervision.

jackdale · 13-01-2014, 18:54

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Originally Posted by SkiprJohn

Well done! I only disagree with your definition of competent crew unless you believe everyone needs supervision.

Thanks.

The competent crew definition was based somewhat on some of the standards that I teach.

This is ISPA version. (Competent Crew, International Sail and Power Association, ISPA)

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COMPETENT CREW
This course is for beginners and those who would like to become active crew members rather than just passengers.

By the end of the course the student should be able to steer, handle sails, keep a lookout, steer a dinghy and assist in all the day to day duties on board.

TC2014 · 14-01-2014, 11:09

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TC2014 · 14-01-2014, 11:52

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SkiprJohn · 14-01-2014, 13:38

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Originally Posted by jackdale

Thanks.

The competent crew definition was based somewhat on some of the standards that I teach.

This is ISPA version. (Competent Crew, International Sail and Power Association, ISPA)

Ok, I get your definition. My definition of competent crew is a crewmember who is trained sufficiently to not need supervision. I was splitting hairs.

kind regards

captain58sailin · 14-01-2014, 14:10

Ya gotta watch all of them, all of the time! (Joke). I would classify competent crew, as a watch stander that knows not to cross in front of a tanker, has a grasp of the rules of the road. Most importantly knows to call the old man out before all the Captain can do is witness the accident. Things like not running aground. Given that you are an instructor, I am sure you have well defined standards, the one thing you can't teach is common sense and good judgement. Some have it some don't, some can learn it, some can't, no matter how many pictures you draw.

goboatingnow · 14-01-2014, 14:22

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What would a watch-keeper do...(obvious definition is the same as a look out?)

Generally a watch keeper, is somewhat capable of "standing a watch" that is to control the boat during their time "on the bridge" under the direction of the captains "standing orders"

A look-out is a crewman, stationed to watch out for things at sea.

dave