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31-10-2018, 10:15
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Fort Pierce Fl
Boat: Gulfstar 36 MS
Posts: 211
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Re: New Neighbors
odonnellryan,
By the way I did not mean the other person used my hose, I mean he took it when asked about it said he would return it when he was done, which I agreed to. Two days later he was launched and sailed away with my hose!
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31-10-2018, 10:28
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#17
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Aboard
Boat: Hatteras CPMY 63’
Posts: 900
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Re: New Neighbors
Perhaps this guy thought that all the workstands and equipment was also “communal” like the power cords?
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31-10-2018, 10:29
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#18
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Aboard
Boat: Hatteras CPMY 63’
Posts: 900
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Re: New Neighbors
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Originally Posted by Outlaw7
odonnellryan,
By the way I did not mean the other person used my hose, I mean he took it when asked about it said he would return it when he was done, which I agreed to. Two days later he was launched and sailed away with my hose!
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Now that’s just theft, plain and simple......
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31-10-2018, 10:45
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 379
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Re: New Neighbors
Well then I can say I definitely agree with your assessment: bad neighbor.
What do to? Tell them politely to not use your things. If they continue to beyond what your personal acceptable limit is in that regard then report them to the marina, authorities, etc..
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31-10-2018, 10:58
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Annapolis MD
Boat: Building a Max Cruise 44 hybrid electric cat
Posts: 3,287
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Re: New Neighbors
Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw7
odonnellryan,
By the way I did not mean the other person used my hose, I mean he took it when asked about it said he would return it when he was done, which I agreed to. Two days later he was launched and sailed away with my hose!
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I swear it is a Florida thing more than any specific nation's citizens. Florida DIY yards attract an odd collection of individuals with no social skills or understanding. Riverside Marina in Ft Pierce was one of the worst for this.
Matt
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31-10-2018, 11:23
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New Orleans
Boat: Bruce Roberts 44 Ofshore
Posts: 2,923
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Re: New Neighbors
Maybe you could lend him a little jb weld. In his through hulls. Or a healthy dose of superglue up the cutless. Lol just kidding. But if his electrical system has a ground fault then the yard has a safety interest in his plugging in to their system.
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31-10-2018, 14:26
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland, CA
Boat: Freedom 38
Posts: 2,503
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Re: New Neighbors
Wow, sense of entitlement is right. I would keep nipping this in the bud though I doubt he will change. However, you might be the one who is drawing too much current to properly share that outlet so maybe this is something you can both properly address together. And then lock up all your stuff!
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31-10-2018, 14:29
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#23
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland, CA
Boat: Freedom 38
Posts: 2,503
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Re: New Neighbors
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Originally Posted by deCarabas
As a fellow Canadian I would like to apologize for their questionable behavior.

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Ha, ha. I saw what you did here
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31-10-2018, 14:31
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Fort Pierce Fl
Boat: Gulfstar 36 MS
Posts: 211
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Re: New Neighbors
Gamayum, seriously doubt that as it is not tripping the overload breaker but the GFI.
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31-10-2018, 14:44
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: Hailing Minny, MN
Boat: Vancouver 27
Posts: 1,098
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Re: New Neighbors
I've been there with questionable boatyard neighbors and feel for you. I was at a yard in SC a few years back where the boat next to me blew up while I was climbing the ladder. The concussive force almost blew me off the ladder and the next day there were FBI agents asking questions with a bomb sniffing robot.
i think more than anything else it's time you for to get out of the boatyard! Both we as humans and boats as boats are not meant to linger too long in such places..
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31-10-2018, 18:27
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland, CA
Boat: Freedom 38
Posts: 2,503
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Re: New Neighbors
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Originally Posted by Outlaw7
Gamayum, seriously doubt that as it is not tripping the overload breaker but the GFI.
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I don't understand what you mean. The GFI tripping means there's a fault somewhere in the system and one fault could be an overloaded circuit, right? Your neighbor might be the cause of the overload, but this would be a problem due to the cumulative power draw on the outlet, so wouldn't it be good to find out why it's tripping? I realize the guy is being an ass, but a healthy respect/curiosity for electricity would not a bad thing to work out with him.
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31-10-2018, 18:49
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Re: New Neighbors
Well to try to explain or excuse the neighbor's behavior, in many DIY yards the ladders, sawhorses, scaffolds, etc are supplied by the yard for general use. If you had the sawhorses and plank set up for a while with nothing going on, no tools and no activity and you weren't present maybe he assumed they were yard property and you were done with them or just not currently using them.
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31-10-2018, 20:22
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 373
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Re: New Neighbors
Presumably he has a ladder set up to get on his boat. Borrow it, and when he comes to ask for it back you'll have an opportunity to talk to him about borrowing things. After that you can take the chain and padlock off it that are holding it tightly to your cleat.
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31-10-2018, 21:11
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Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,075
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Re: New Neighbors
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamayun
I don't understand what you mean. The GFI tripping means there's a fault somewhere in the system and one fault could be an overloaded circuit, right?
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No, not if it's an outlet with a separate GFCI indicator light or a mechanical GFCI button that changes state upon ground fault. (A typical household example can be found in houses in kitchens, bathrooms, and exterior outlets). A tripped GFCI in this case is NOT from an overloaded circuit.
If the "GFI" mentioned by the OP is actually on a breaker panel, then it could be a dual(or triple) purpose breaker. Many(most?) of those will NOT indicate whether it was tripped by either 1. ground fault, 2. overload, or 3. arc fault for that matter.
The OP stated that the "GFI" tripped but NOT the "overload breaker". If true, then he is probably correct- his neighbor likely has a ground fault.
It should be noted that, in rare cases, an overloaded GFCI-only breaker can eventually become super-sensitive by overheating, and then trip on a simple overload or even under-threshold ground current.... hence my "probably" correct.
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31-10-2018, 21:47
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Victoria, BC
Boat: Catalina 36 MKII
Posts: 1,108
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Re: New Neighbors
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Originally Posted by odonnellryan
I honestly don't see the issue with borrowing a sawhorse or a ladder for a moment. Or someone's hose at the dock, for that matter, if they aren't around.
You aren't going to damage this equipment or cause any wear and tear. If you do somehow, well, buy them a new and better one.
Obviously different if you borrow someone's tools, car, lawnmower ... these are different items.
I wouldn't go onto someone's private property to borrow such an item, but having things in the yard isn't private property.
Obviously I wouldn't untie a ladder from a boat. In my example it was on the ground right next to by boat, unsecured. So I used it for 10 minutes, then put it directly back.
Of course I told the guy when I saw him next. Not a "friend" but I knew who he was anyway.
I wouldn't call this entitled. I would call this the "society I'd like to live in." I have no problem with you borrowing my ladder. Hell, for me anyway - untie it from my boat to use it. No worries.
Entitled would be expecting there to be a ladder available and so not bringing my own even though I easily could (rather than just forgetting it, and having to make a 2-hour trip to go get it).
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I find it absolutely amazing that people feel it to be normal/ok to just borrow other peoples stuff without first asking.
While I have no problem sharing stuff, I would make it VERY clear that asking first is the thing to do. If that doesn't sink in the very first time, I am sorry but the next step would be a call to the local cops with a complaint of theft!
Even if the complaint doesn't go very far, I would expect a visit from the cops to impress on the fellow that maybe this behaviour is not appreciated and that a re-learning of social norms is required!
BTW, I pay for my electricity so if somebody plugs into my line it comes straight out of my wallet and I would be mighty pissed!
BTW2, it has nothing to do with the possibility of damaging or not damaging equipment, it is a matter of understanding what is yours and what isn't. If my dock neighbour isn't around, is it ok to take his yacht for a spin around the harbour ? After all, he wasn't using it and hey, I know what I am doing so it isn't an issue with me damaging anything? Oh yeah, the yacht is parked at a (sort of) public dock so that obviously must mean that I can take it for a spin or else he would have the yacht sitting on stilts in his back yard. .... give me a break !!!!
I have never heard of such a self centered thing!
I too wish to apologize for that Canadian's behaviour .... but then bad apples are found in virtually any bunch!
Last but not least, There are small communities in Canada (and probably elsewhere) where property is regarded as 'communal' and if you need a car to to go get groceries you can just hop into the neighbours car (keys left in ignition just for such a situation) to get groceries and nothing much is thought about doing so. If your neighbour comes from such an upbringing, he might not know better than that which is why it is important to have that 'talk' about not being in Kansas any more at the earliest opportunity before he drives you totally mad (without knowing he is causing issues)!
If you both are in the water next to each other, it would be real interesting to take his boat out for a joy ride and see what he thinks
In any case, talk to him ASAP not only for your sanity but also for the other guy's safety because somebody else might not look at 'borrowing without asking' as a minor issue!
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