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Old 14-12-2020, 08:17   #61
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Re: Mast moving ideas?

Here's what I did once. This worked in PA. I was allowed 6 feet over hang in front of the vehicle, full size pickup with extended cab with bed ladder rack and 6 feet past the back of the vehicle, this includes a trailer. So that's what I did. Long pick up towing a long trailer. You will have to watch if you have to make tight turns to accommodate the swing of the mast. Don't for get the red flags to attach to the ends of the mast.
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Have two trucks with roof racks and tie it on both and stay tight together and pull this off in the middle of the night ... probably not the smartest idea ,but it might work
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We definitely do plan to go inland sometimes.

My dream was a mast I could drop and raise on the boat. Sort of like a tabernacle. This bridge height requirement is awful.

I’m just facing so many projects that this will have to remain a fantasy until it’s done.

But should be quite easy to carry this on deck. Deck is basically flat fore and aft, can tie off to the dagger board that will be at about the middle of the mast and then just secure mast at bow cleat and stern cleat.

I’ll have to hire a crane for that, so it’ll be once in a while when we know we want to go inland for a long time.

A self sufficient mast drop is probably tough to do on a boat that size. But if you've got mast holders ready to go and an easy way to un-hook the rigging and stow it, 2 or 3 people and a gin pole should be able to drop the mast and lock it down for transport. Then it's just a matter of finding a place with a gin pole to use. If you go up the Hudson, I know Castleton Boat Club has a DIY setup. Elsewhere you might have to pay a marina for it.


Basically, I'd plan on having a method and procedure for unhooking, stowing and tying down the mast, rigging, etc. on the boat. Then all you need is the gin pole and maybe an extra person, which is easy enough in most places where you'd need the mast down.
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on removing the mast: You can hire a barge with a crane, these can get almost anywhere if available at the area of the originating boat.

Delivery: The marine works service can either carry the mast to a dock with truck access or offer you a water transportation. You may check with the local BoatUS guys.

At any case, not going to be cheap
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on removing the mast: You can hire a barge with a crane, these can get almost anywhere if available at the area of the originating boat.

Delivery: The marine works service can either carry the mast to a dock with truck access or offer you a water transportation. You may check with the local BoatUS guys.

At any case, not going to be cheap
It was about $400, including the brand new trailer I bought. I drove it over 100 miles and can now move it wherever I want for free.

We did it at the boat ramp since marinas in the area were incapable.

Nobody reads the threads.
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It was about $400, including the brand new trailer I bought. I drove it over 100 miles and can now move it wherever I want for free.

Nobody reads the threads.
Nope, they just jump in to answer. Never understand that.

Nice job on the move.
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Chotu, can you clarify how your 'X-webbing & shackle swivel' actually worked? When you made a turn, how did that arrangement act like a trailer ball and receiver? Did the mast rub around on the piece of plywood below the mast (as shown in your picture)?
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Chotu, can you clarify how your 'X-webbing & shackle swivel' actually worked? When you made a turn, how did that arrangement act like a trailer ball and receiver? Did the mast rub around on the piece of plywood below the mast (as shown in your picture)?
Sure. It basically kept the tip of the mast within about a 4 inch radius. The straps are nice and tight.

When you make a turn, with this set up, you are definitely limited. You are limited by the edges of your truck. By the fenders. The mast is not above the truck bed. So it has to be able to turn only within the truck bed. This makes for wider turns than if you had a true fifth wheel. You had to think several moves ahead. For example, you cannot get the Mast at 90° to the truck.

Also, yes. You are correct about the plywood. The plywood was put down there in order to accept the mast head scratching around. There were some scratches in the plywood after the hundred mile trip.
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It was about $400, including the brand new trailer I bought. I drove it over 100 miles and can now move it wherever I want for free.

We did it at the boat ramp since marinas in the area were incapable.

Nobody reads the threads.
Kudos! Nice job.
- my assumption was the mast was still standing on the seller's boat
- just unstepped my Selden 3 Ocean, deck stepped, 53', total weight measured by the crane 780 lbs. Yours is about half - totally different story.
- Transportation: Guess in Florida everything is legal...

Reading threads; yes my friend, life is short...
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Kudos! Nice job.
- my assumption was the mast was still standing on the seller's boat
- just unstepped my Selden 3 Ocean, deck stepped, 53', total weight measured by the crane 780 lbs. Yours is about half - totally different story.
- Transportation: Guess in Florida everything is legal...

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780 lbs?

That’s surprising.

I’m at about 450lbs. 59’ length. Extra wall thickness required for catamarans.

Was your weight with all the shrouds and everything still attached?


Florida Department of Transportation over-length vehicle permit makes it legal. Like anywhere else. Even Mass. But I can’t say I’d take it in downtown Boston. Ha ha ha. No way!

Mast was down on the deck on the seller’s boat.
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Florida Department of Transportation over-length vehicle permit makes it legal. Like anywhere else.

Many sailors don't realize that oversize permits are granted routinely and inexpensively by nearly all states and provinces in the USA/Canada. For a boat, most states will grant a one-year permit allowing multiple trips; in my home state they're under $100 a year. This makes the purported 8'6" maximum beam for trailer sailors irrelevant in most cases.


There are only a few really problematic areas:
  • Boats over around 12'6" abeam (varies by jurisdiction).
  • Boats where the nature of the route and the boat means that you have to use part of an oncoming lane without yielding to oncoming traffic. In most states you have to pay for a police escort.
  • Boat and trailer heavier than the rated capacity of your truck
  • Sufficiently overheight that detailed route planning is required with many obstacles, usually over about 14'6".
  • High-traffic areas and holiday weekends, which usually have time restrictions. For example US1 from Homestead to Key West does not allow oversize loads during the day
Lots of big powerboats get hauled by their owners on a trailer, relatively few big sailboats.


In practice, skill, confidence, and having a large enough truck available are more of a limitation than the regulations.
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Yes... 780 including all shrouds, two heavy Furlex, long and heavy spinnaker pole, long range, old Koden radar antenna (now gone - new Quantum installed on the arches). Seen very few boats with this Selden class mast. 53’ is the length.
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Yes... 780 including all shrouds, two heavy Furlex, long and heavy spinnaker pole, long range, old Koden radar antenna (now gone - new Quantum installed on the arches). Seen very few boats with this Selden class mast. 53’ is the length.
Pics attached. No idea why the darn uploader insists on turning vertical images and no time to fight with this 😡🙂. But you can get the idea here...

Ah. Makes sense with all the stuff on it.

I’ve figured out why the forum turns a lot of pictures sideways.

iPhones keep the picture orientation in a part of the image called the EXIF information. A non visual part that contains image data.

The forum ignores EXIF information so it posts the pic however it is by default which is sideways on an iPhone.

I hope they fix this sometime soon.

I’ve been opening my pics in a different app, then saving them again without EXIF information to get them to appear right on this forum.
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780 lbs?

Florida Department of Transportation over-length vehicle permit makes it legal. Like anywhere else. Even Mass. But I can’t say I’d take it in downtown Boston. Ha ha ha. No way!
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Yeah, even the People's Republic of Massachusetts allows 53' long bed truck trailers, but not sure the (wisely!) improvised trailing stroller at the end of a 50'+ load, with towing point secured by webbing to a pickup truck, will convince the state police in the safety and roadworthy of such arrangement.

But I learned a new thing today! - And all in all - a great day!
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Yeah, even the People's Republic of Massachusetts allows 53' long bed truck trailers, but not sure the (wisely!) improvised trailing stroller at the end of a 50'+ load, with towing point secured by webbing to a pickup truck, will convince the state police in the safety and roadworthy of such arrangement.

But I learned a new thing today! - And all in all - a great day!
Ah. It may not have been obvious in the pictures but let me include what made it all legal:

1) department or transportation permit, specifying the exact trailer setup

2) It’s very far away but that’s actually a brand new, real trailer with a 1100lb load capacity and working lights, license plate, IS Department of Transportation approved

3) all lights worked at all times for the tow

4) safety towing chains from mast to truck as well as mast to trailer

5) Professional real flag on the back

6) many wraps of bright fluorescent tape down the whole length.

7) the soft hitch may have been iffy, but I think the law is about the safety chain, not the hitch.

2 cops passed me on the trip so... it was legal. They would have definitely pulled me over if they could.



There is quite a “can’t do” attitude of fear on this forum sometimes. My only worry about all this is everything they seeped into my brain from years of forum reading telling me I can’t. I think a lot of this negative energy on here is not justified.

Not speaking to you, DeValency. Just in general. So many people white a defeatist “can’t do” attitude.
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