Loonies Got Their Way

[MarkusK]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Help me out here. How does your "solution" work in reality?

My solution? Google 'humanure'.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by MarkusK

My solution? Google 'humanure'.

I will make it easy for them and post this link again.
Humanure Composting Instruction Manual - The Humanure Handbook
https://humanurehandbook.com › human...

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by MarkusK

My solution? Google 'humanure'.

I call BS (pun intended).

My response to your earlier comment was this:

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

I have never followed the "logic" in this train of thought, 'cuz there isn't any.

Most sewage treatment facilities are govt owned.

So, the govt fines the other branch of govt.
And the issue isn't the maintenance of the system, it is the size of them; they are too small 'cuz they were built back when the population was much smaller.

The taxpayers pay twice and nothing gets improved.

Why not make them use the fine $$ to make improvements?

Help me out here. How does your "solution" work in reality?

Simply referring to composting toilets when actually discussing municipal sewage treatment systems appears disingenuous.

And I rather doubt homeowners would swap what they have for composters.

I think a more rational, but also costly, system would be to use recycled water for flushing toilets instead of wasting fresh clean drinking water.

[seandepagnier]

Originally Posted by conchaway

The more overpopulated the world becomes, the more restrictive the laws become.

In indonesia they just got rid of the cruising permit. Indonesia has a large population. So explain that?


The laws don't have to become more restrictive with more population, it could be the opposite.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by conchaway

The more overpopulated the world becomes, the more restrictive the laws become.

What you really mean is:

more overpoulated world, more restrictive laws can be introduced.

Old trick used in india and china millenias ago to enslave population

[MarkusK]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

And I rather doubt homeowners would swap what they have for composters.

I think a more rational, but also costly, system would be to use recycled water for flushing toilets instead of wasting fresh clean drinking water.

You are right of course. And there is no way we would ever go back to the days of collecting 'night soil'.

Rainwater collection for flushing toilets makes sense in many places but, again, how many homeowners will pay extra $ to have a cistern installed?

[Bill Seal]

Humanure
Remember the North Korean soldier who defected recently, was found to be infected with many strains of intestinal parasites.

[markpierce]

How does one dispose the accumulated material in a composting toilet? Dump it in the water? What about the urine? How does it turn into compost?

[robert sailor]

Originally Posted by Bill Seal

Humanure
Remember the North Korean soldier who defected recently, was found to be infected with many strains of intestinal parasites.

Don't think you'd have to look very hard to find folks in your country with similar infections.

[Simply Sailing]

Originally Posted by markpierce

How does one dispose the accumulated material in a composting toilet? Dump it in the water? What about the urine? How does it turn into compost?

We have an Air Head that is designed to separate the liquids from the solids, so the liquids do NOT compost. The point is to keep the composting medium dry. And no, just like emptying your holding tank, dumping your composting contents overboard is not legal unless you are more than 3 miles offshore. Depending on where we are, we use that option, or we double bag it and dispose of it in a responsible dumpster (i.e. not a private one). Sometimes, if we're on a deserted island, we empty it under a tree. It is "gone" in a few days. Bugs and critters finish the "composting" rather quickly. But of course, you can't do this in the States or in a neighborhood or something. I think the best rule of thumb is to be reasonable about where you put it.

[Sailorbob8599]

Originally Posted by LoudMusic

There's going to be a lot of boats making the journey to poop on the Canadians.

It probably won't surprise anyone to learn that many Canadians believe they have been pooped on by our neighbours to the south for a very long time.

[thinwater]

Originally Posted by Seymore

It's about coliform bacteria, and specifically Eschera Coliform(sp?) (E Coli), which is very toxic. They are produced whenever raw human sewage is produced.

I'm not knowledgeable, not more than that. We look forward to someone who's knowledgeable chiming in.

No, it is NOT about coliform.

It's been illegal to dump within 3 miles of shore for 40 years. No need for and NDZ regulation for coliform. NDZ bans heads that sterilize waste as well (Electrascan etc.). It must be about nutrients.

But I think few politicians understand this. Most of the people on this thread seem to have missed this distinction. This is the reason there are so few NDZs; they make little sense in most cases.

[Souzag818]

While working at a marina in Puget Sound for two years, we had a research vessel tying up both summers I was there. One year they did soil tests at low tide, the next year they did water tests. While talking to the U Dub oceanography professor who was on board monitoring, she asked me who I thought the biggest polluters were in Puget Sound. I guessed industry, but she pointed to all the houses on the water with these beautiful green lawns. Fertilizer runoff is apparently number one. Second she asked me if I had a car, to which I replied yes. Turns out I'm part of the problem, with brake dust-asbestos- and petroleum (read oil drips) on the streets from cars being number two. Rains, (in Seattle???) water flows off the streets into Puget Sound. Most boaters I know uses their holding tank, as most marinas here make it very easy to pump out. Some even schedule a free pump out when you need it with a "pooper boat". I think this whole thing is misguided, but as long as I continue to use my holding tank, I don't have a problem with it. Now if they start talking about regulating grey water, I'm either moving my boat somewhere else or selling it and just getting out

[IdoraKeeper]

Originally Posted by senormechanico

Seattle Metro discharge: 40 PPM.
THAT'S when it's not raining.

When we get a good rain, the "Combined Sewer Overflow", a PC term for "Here comes a few MILLION GALLONS OF POOP !" is considered a cost of doing business, and nothing happens. It's just a momentary embarrassment.

ElectroScan discharge: 2 PPM which costs an amp hour per flush.

And to answer the comment, "we're used to it" I'll bet you are.
Has Victoria BC ever gotten around to a secondary treatment plant, or are they still discharging their poop straight out in to the Straits of Juan de Fuca which is conveniently JUST West of the coming Washington state NDZ western border.
Is that PC or what?

If Washington state had drawn the NDZ line at the border all the way to the ocean, it would run right past Victoria's poop pipe.

Let's say by not using my ElectroScan which puts out 2 PPM and instead, I pump out at a marina during a big rainstorm.
The poop will come back out to Puget Sound in a CSO at a concentration of...let's just say a heck of a lot higher than 2PPM!
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It might be better use of our politicians to find an answer to homeless people peeing and pooping on the sidewalks.

This! The average citizen thinks the problem has been taken care of by the sewage treatment plant.. Not so. The county/METRO is the greatest polluter. It's a collective failure. It's bad management.. No amount of PC finger pointing at boats can change the truth. Me thinks lesser Seattle should be in our future. Can't tell I just retired can ya.

[uncle stinkybob]

Originally Posted by Sailorbob8599

It probably won't surprise anyone to learn that many Canadians believe they have been pooped on by our neighbours to the south for a very long time.

Why then, are 85% of you guys crowded right on the border?
I would look much more in the direction of your eastern french bro's for that sort of thing.