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04-10-2020, 16:09
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Location: London, UK
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Re: Jon decides to go sailing
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Originally Posted by Icarus
The thing is it cost you more to build a boat then buying a used one.
Most people forget while you need lots of time actually working on the boat building project you as well need lots time to make some money, meaning holding down a well paid job.
Not to rain on your parade but I have been building yachts over the last 40 odd years and have seen a lot of dreamers come and go.
Bruce Roberts and James Warham advocating that anyone can build a yacht on a 'shoe string' using 10 sheets of plywood on the beach has send many dreamers broke or with a halve built vessel after many years of labour.
As I said it's better to save up and buy something afloat already.
Or crew on someone's yacht is the cheapest option.
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Thanks for sharing this, I value hearing from someone quite so experienced at his trade as yourself sir. I disagree that buying a 2nd hand ready made boat would be better or less expensive. In my opinion, unless you can afford to buy something around the £150,000/£200,000 figure, that is sizeable enough and with all the facilities that a house might contain, I think it would still be better to build myself.
I look at photos of sailing boats for sale, perhaps in the range of £30/£60,000 (something realistic that I might be able to work towards) and I see very old tired interiors, too narrow and small and cramped to move about it, old technology that doesnt work very well etc. I would prefer to build myself, a large vessel, exactly how I want it to be, fitting out myself to my own specification & preferences.
Most people in the UK will become trapped in a terrible state, they will sign themselves up to liabilities, they will get a mortgage for a house, and spend their life slaving to pay it off for effectively nothing in return, but death. I would rather pay into my own house, but a floating house, a house on the water, that I own myself, that I built myself, and that I can go wherever I damn well want in. I will start buying steel or aluminum sheet, month by month, and eventually it will form my boat.
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04-10-2020, 16:30
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#122
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Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: London, UK
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Re: Jon decides to go sailing
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Originally Posted by jonsailingearth
Double U, you have so many years experience sailing the oceans, that's quite incredible, really an extraordinary life there sir. Bravo old boy. What words of wisdom could you share? what do you have to say of all your adventures gallivanting about? I would be interested to hear of your tales.
Apologies if you do not like my thread on your forum, I too was surprised at the large number of responses, though I really appreciate all the input and helpful guidance. Occasionally while working from home I come back here and see what people have commented & ponder over these, while working away, but im doing very long hours and late shifts, that I cant reply very often.
For the record, yes, im going to build my own all seas sailing boat, to live on, likely a Catamaran, likely from Steel, but hopefully aluminum once I have done more calculations on surface area/ material costs. It needs to be around 100ft length, larger if possible. Depends on cost over time. There are a few ideas and features I wish to implement, but will post designs when I can. Whats this anyway about Manatees? Im not sure I follow. They are rather big ugly boys arent they, did you come across some sitting on your boat one morning?
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Yes granted its hard maybe for y'all to see my vision perhaps, you there with money, living the dream in the land of opportunity. And with me being here, in the UK, the land of no opportunity, yes I have no money, but Im hard working & I can make it happen. Just you wait and see. You might be waiting a few years, but do not underestimate me.
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04-10-2020, 17:19
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#123
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
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Re: Jon decides to go sailing
Could I just say , unless you have capital , or prepared to borrow, you will never build a boat , too many things needs big bucks in one go, engines , rig,
Seriously sit down with a spreadsheet and work through the cost
Then you need to evaluate your time , building a big boat is a full time occupation , you also need help , you need tools , word working equipment , proper saw tables , etc.
You need a fairly comfortable building environment , you’ll not work in the freezing cold etc.
Maybe you can do , but every yard has a pipe dream project
Be very sanguine or you’ll just end up with a heap of rusting steel
A well built home yacht will end up more expensive then a well built second hand production yacht.
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04-10-2020, 17:21
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#124
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Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Florida
Boat: Spindrift 43
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Re: Jon decides to go sailing
Jon, great to hear from you again. Your plans get more fantastical with each update, and I’ll happily watch as you work to realize your vision.
As I said before, you’re going to get some colorful characters chiming in, but I think it generally comes from a good place- mostly it’s an emphasis on safety and responsibility. But neither of those need to prevent you from doing what you’re thinking of.
I’ll mention him again, because his plans and ultimate voyage were as grand in scope and scale as yours, and they unfolded over a few year period, but Reid Stowe (look Jim up- you can probably find his blog and forum posts on Google still) persevered in the face of pretty noteworthy scrutiny- but he did do it.
Look forward to seeing some conceptual boat plans.
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04-10-2020, 17:29
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#125
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43 and OPBs
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Re: Jon decides to go sailing
So just to summarise the thread to date.
The OP started off wanting to sail the world over then next 10 years with no boating experience and no money and wanting to "borrow an old boat".
Now he intends to self build a self designed, metal hulled sailing catamaran over 100ft in length with no boat design or sailing experience and still no money.
What could possibly go wrong?
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04-10-2020, 18:01
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#126
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Moderator
Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
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Re: Jon decides to go sailing
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What could possibly go wrong?
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A good question, Stu. I doubt that we will ever find out...
Jim
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04-10-2020, 18:03
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#127
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Moderator and Certifiable Refitter
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: South of 43 S, Australia
Boat: C.L.O.D.
Posts: 21,515
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Re: Jon decides to go sailing
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Originally Posted by StuM
So just to summarise the thread to date.
The OP started off wanting to sail the world over then next 10 years with no boating experience and no money and wanting to "borrow an old boat".
Now he intends to self build a self designed, metal hulled sailing catamaran over 100ft in length with no boat design or sailing experience and still no money.
What could possibly go wrong? 
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Welllllll..... ya gotta aim for the stars to reach the moon
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