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Old 06-11-2019, 11:55   #16
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?

Toxic Fuel?? With a statement like you better be rowing into the marina else you risk being branded a hypocrite.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:57   #17
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Thats like asking
If I wear a condom....is it really sex?
To answer that you have to define what "is" is.
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To answer that you have to define what "is" is.
Is that a Presidential quote.
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Old 06-11-2019, 14:29   #19
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Another example. I am currently building an education complex that will use approx 30kw per day including heating (in western canada). It is off grid and will be entirly solar powered. This is for 4 offices, a computer lab and youth recreation space. The footprint is 175sq/m so that is about 170w/sq/m. A typical N American comercial space uses 2 to 6 times that so designe does have a big impact.



Please -- watt hours, not watts!
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Old 06-11-2019, 16:09   #20
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Kind of but not really.


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Absolutely. It was a ridiculous question and should be killed stone dead.
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Old 06-11-2019, 16:23   #21
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Does generating large amounts of waste, some of it toxic, make a modern sailboat anti-environmental?
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Cruisers are a minute percentage of the people in the world.

The people who live below the poverty level in the United States and produce tons of waste (and are a minority of the population) will overcome any good we can do to the environment. The rich are worse.

Sail your toxic fiberglass boats with fossil fuel engines to remote islands and relax. Your on the good side of the ledger.
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No reason to. So sorry.
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Old 06-11-2019, 18:11   #24
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If people would just stop posting to it, will soon slip below the surface and disappear
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Cruisers are a minute percentage of the people in the world.

The people who live below the poverty level in the United States and produce tons of waste (and are a minority of the population) will overcome any good we can do to the environment. The rich are worse.

Sail your toxic fiberglass boats with fossil fuel engines to remote islands and relax. Your on the good side of the ledger.
Are we? The typically afluent cruiser has a huge environmental footprint compared to most of the others who populate the planet.

Im about to visit my "home" village in Guatemala. The happy, but economically limited, individuals who populate that little rural village have a miniscule footprint.

Me by contrast, Ive visited 15 countries in the past 3 years, some under sail, some by conventional means (lots of Jet A). I own 3 boats, 2 cars, 2 homes, loads of other junk...all of which requires maintenance: fluids, fuels, filters, parts, solvents, paints, adhesives, resins/catalysts/colorants/fiber cloth, sealants, tapes...and the associated shipping (fuel, etc) and packing materials. My footprint is many times that of the villagers.

Our numbers are tiny, but our per person impact is big.
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Are we? The typically afluent cruiser has a huge environmental footprint compared to most of the others who populate the planet.

Im about to visit my "home" village in Guatemala. The happy, but economically limited, individuals who populate that little rural village have a miniscule footprint.

Me by contrast, Ive visited 15 countries in the past 3 years, some under sail, some by conventional means (lots of Jet A). I own 3 boats, 2 cars, 2 homes, loads of other junk...all of which requires maintenance: fluids, fuels, filters, parts, solvents, paints, adhesives, resins/catalysts/colorants/fiber cloth, sealants, tapes...and the associated shipping (fuel, etc) and packing materials. My footprint is many times that of the villagers.

Our numbers are tiny, but our per person impact is big.
Very true. The absolute best way for those of us in the developed world to stop being part of the problem is to live at the global average consumption rate. But I doubt there will be many takers on that idea. Certainly not me.

Compared to most of the people on this planet I dare say that everyone here lives a pretty resource-intensive lifestyle. But compared to the typical land dweller in the developed world, many of us who call a boat their only home can and do live with a much smaller environmental footprint.
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I friend said, she sailed around Cape Horn, in 500 foot seas. Is 500 foot seas even possible?


CIRCUMNAVIGATED THE GLOBE VIA WIND! THE DOLDRUMS THOUGH! tURNED INTO A 5 YEAR TRIP, GOT CAUGHT IN BORA BORA IN 0.0001 WIND FOR 3 YEARS!
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I friend said, she sailed around Cape Horn, in 500 foot seas. Is 500 foot seas even possible?


CIRCUMNAVIGATED THE GLOBE VIA WIND! THE DOLDRUMS THOUGH! tURNED INTO A 5 YEAR TRIP, GOT CAUGHT IN BORA BORA IN 0.0001 WIND FOR 3 YEARS!
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I friend said, she sailed around Cape Horn, in 500 foot seas. Is 500 foot seas even possible?
500 feet is actually quite common. There are many places where it's much deeper.
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Carbon dioxide is a pollutant
Your mean words make nature's green plants sad.
Oh, and sailing is indeed more natural when performed in the nude.
(what, was this a serious thread? no way)
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