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06-11-2019, 11:55
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#16
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Registered User
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
Toxic Fuel?? With a statement like you better be rowing into the marina else you risk being branded a hypocrite.
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06-11-2019, 11:57
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#17
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2013
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
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Originally Posted by Pelagic
Thats like asking
If I wear a condom....is it really sex?
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To answer that you have to define what "is" is.
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06-11-2019, 13:25
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#18
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
Boat: None,build the one shown of glass, had many from 6' to 48'.
Posts: 10,208
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
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Originally Posted by valhalla360
To answer that you have to define what "is" is.
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Is that a Presidential quote.
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06-11-2019, 14:29
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#19
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43 and OPBs
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
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Originally Posted by roland stockham
Another example. I am currently building an education complex that will use approx 30kw per day including heating (in western canada). It is off grid and will be entirly solar powered. This is for 4 offices, a computer lab and youth recreation space. The footprint is 175sq/m so that is about 170w/sq/m. A typical N American comercial space uses 2 to 6 times that so designe does have a big impact.
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Please -- watt hours, not watts!
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06-11-2019, 16:09
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#20
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Gibraltar
Boat: Jeanneau 49DS
Posts: 332
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
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Originally Posted by Gtstricky
No.
and
Kind of but not really.
Questions have been answered. Thread can be closed.
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Absolutely. It was a ridiculous question and should be killed stone dead.
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06-11-2019, 16:23
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#21
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,480
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
Does generating large amounts of waste, some of it toxic, make a modern sailboat anti-environmental?
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06-11-2019, 17:02
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#22
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Key West, FL
Boat: Morgan Out Island 415
Posts: 911
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
Cruisers are a minute percentage of the people in the world.
The people who live below the poverty level in the United States and produce tons of waste (and are a minority of the population) will overcome any good we can do to the environment. The rich are worse.
Sail your toxic fiberglass boats with fossil fuel engines to remote islands and relax. Your on the good side of the ledger.
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06-11-2019, 18:06
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: La Ciudad de la Misión Didacus de Alcalá en Alta California, Virreinato de Nueva España
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Posts: 20,489
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
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Originally Posted by Gtstricky
No.
and
Kind of but not really.
Questions have been answered. Thread can be closed.
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No reason to. So sorry.
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06-11-2019, 18:11
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#24
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cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2017
Boat: Retired from CF
Posts: 13,317
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
If people would just stop posting to it, will soon slip below the surface and disappear
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06-11-2019, 18:19
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#25
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,480
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
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Originally Posted by dwedeking2
Cruisers are a minute percentage of the people in the world.
The people who live below the poverty level in the United States and produce tons of waste (and are a minority of the population) will overcome any good we can do to the environment. The rich are worse.
Sail your toxic fiberglass boats with fossil fuel engines to remote islands and relax. Your on the good side of the ledger.
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Are we? The typically afluent cruiser has a huge environmental footprint compared to most of the others who populate the planet.
Im about to visit my "home" village in Guatemala. The happy, but economically limited, individuals who populate that little rural village have a miniscule footprint.
Me by contrast, Ive visited 15 countries in the past 3 years, some under sail, some by conventional means (lots of Jet A). I own 3 boats, 2 cars, 2 homes, loads of other junk...all of which requires maintenance: fluids, fuels, filters, parts, solvents, paints, adhesives, resins/catalysts/colorants/fiber cloth, sealants, tapes...and the associated shipping (fuel, etc) and packing materials. My footprint is many times that of the villagers.
Our numbers are tiny, but our per person impact is big.
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06-11-2019, 18:38
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Good question
Boat: Rafiki 37
Posts: 14,140
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
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Originally Posted by belizesailor
Are we? The typically afluent cruiser has a huge environmental footprint compared to most of the others who populate the planet.
Im about to visit my "home" village in Guatemala. The happy, but economically limited, individuals who populate that little rural village have a miniscule footprint.
Me by contrast, Ive visited 15 countries in the past 3 years, some under sail, some by conventional means (lots of Jet A). I own 3 boats, 2 cars, 2 homes, loads of other junk...all of which requires maintenance: fluids, fuels, filters, parts, solvents, paints, adhesives, resins/catalysts/colorants/fiber cloth, sealants, tapes...and the associated shipping (fuel, etc) and packing materials. My footprint is many times that of the villagers.
Our numbers are tiny, but our per person impact is big.
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Very true. The absolute best way for those of us in the developed world to stop being part of the problem is to live at the global average consumption rate. But I doubt there will be many takers on that idea. Certainly not me.
Compared to most of the people on this planet I dare say that everyone here lives a pretty resource-intensive lifestyle. But compared to the typical land dweller in the developed world, many of us who call a boat their only home can and do live with a much smaller environmental footprint.
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06-11-2019, 18:53
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 7
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
I friend said, she sailed around Cape Horn, in 500 foot seas. Is 500 foot seas even possible?
CIRCUMNAVIGATED THE GLOBE VIA WIND! THE DOLDRUMS THOUGH! tURNED INTO A 5 YEAR TRIP, GOT CAUGHT IN BORA BORA IN 0.0001 WIND FOR 3 YEARS!
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06-11-2019, 19:06
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#28
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Franklin, Ohio
Boat: Homebuilt schooner 64 ft. Sold.
Posts: 1,486
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanHowitt
I friend said, she sailed around Cape Horn, in 500 foot seas. Is 500 foot seas even possible?
CIRCUMNAVIGATED THE GLOBE VIA WIND! THE DOLDRUMS THOUGH! tURNED INTO A 5 YEAR TRIP, GOT CAUGHT IN BORA BORA IN 0.0001 WIND FOR 3 YEARS!
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Quit while you are behind.
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06-11-2019, 21:07
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#29
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,085
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanHowitt
I friend said, she sailed around Cape Horn, in 500 foot seas. Is 500 foot seas even possible?
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500 feet is actually quite common. There are many places where it's much deeper.
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06-11-2019, 22:03
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#30
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,075
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Re: Is sailing more natural/true than cruising?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike OReilly
Carbon dioxide is a pollutant
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Your mean words make nature's green plants sad.
Oh, and sailing is indeed more natural when performed in the nude.
(what, was this a serious thread? no way)
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