Inboard engines and a changing world

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Statistical

"NOTE FROM TED: This talk only reflects the speaker's personal views and interpretation. Several claims in this talk lack scientific support. We've flagged this talk because it falls outside the content guidelines TED gives TEDx organizers. "

In other words rando makes up bogus crap so people freaking out about BEVs can point to it.

I and others referenced multiple scientific and academic studies but in the span of 8 minutes you read all of them and determined based on your extensive scientific background in emissions anlysis that they are false and pushing a narrative. However we should blindly trust some rando just spouting nonsense on youtube.

Did I get that correct?

No actuality is it was flagged due to not conforming to UN policy. Dig and you will find the truth.
Side note diesel will never go away it is an essential to modern life. What do you think furnace oil is?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Statistical

"NOTE FROM TED: This talk only reflects the speaker's personal views and interpretation. Several claims in this talk lack scientific support. We've flagged this talk because it falls outside the content guidelines TED gives TEDx organizers. "

In other words rando makes up bogus crap so people freaking out about BEVs can point to it.

I and others referenced multiple scientific and academic studies but in the span of 8 minutes you read all of them and determined based on your extensive scientific background in emissions anlysis that they are false and pushing a narrative. However we should blindly trust some rando just spouting nonsense on youtube.

Did I get that correct?

In 8 minutes? Nope and you should check the dates on your linked articles before making such assumptions.
First link was from December of 2021
The second was from October of 2022
The EPA sorry but I don't trust a government beurocrat agency that has been pushing a false narrative for 2 decades.
All are patiently incorrect. But you won't have proof until itx to late to save yourself

[Statistical]

Originally Posted by newhaul

No actuality is it was flagged due to not conforming to UN policy. Dig and you will find the truth.
Side note diesel will never go away it is an essential to modern life. What do you think furnace oil is?

Oh noes break out the tinfoil. So there is a grand conspiracy to make everyone produce and buy BEVs because they are worse in order to make the environment worse. Somehow scientists all over the world are just going along with this because they want to see the Earth destroyed? Nobody is objecting not even the car companies. Hell China and US are both in on this super duper conspiracy. However somehow you and this rando on the internet cracked the code.

Does that seem more plausible or maybe ... BEVs reduce emissions which is why they are being promoted.

Side note: Furnace oil isn't essential to modern life that would imply the only way to heat a home is with furance oil. The number of homes heated with heating oil in the US has declined by 2/3rds in the last 50 years so doesn't seem so essential to modern life unless "modern" is circa 1960.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Statistical

Oh noes break out the tinfoil. So there is a grand conspiracy to make everyone produce and buy BEVs because they are worse in order to make the environment worse. Somehow scientists all over the world are just going along with this because they want to see the Earth destroyed? Nobody is objecting not even the car companies. Hell China and US are both in on this super duper conspiracy. However somehow you and this rando on the internet cracked the code.

Does that seem more plausible or maybe ... BEVs reduce emissions which is why they are being promoted.

Side note: Furnace oil isn't essential to modern life that would imply the only way to heat a home is with furance oil. The number of homes heated with heating oil in the US has declined by 2/3rds in the last 50 years so doesn't seem so essential to modern life unless "modern" is circa 1960.

Here think about this the co2 causing global warming is patently false by all actual science.
And the USA is already carbon neutral without doing anything .

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Wrong don't forget the production phases for all components . A high end ev with an estimated 400 mile range will require approx 350k miles to break even with an ice powered vehicle of similar range. Average life of most cars is just below 200k miles.

https://youtu.be/S1E8SQde5rk

I watched the clip of this TEDTalk.
It's from 3.5yr ago.
The description by TED indicates:
"NOTE FROM TED: This talk only reflects the speaker's personal views and interpretation. Several claims in this talk lack scientific support."
Previously he worked for the vehicle manufacturers SAIC & Jaguar/Land Rover.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/graham-c...ls/experience/
He currently works for SouthWest Research Institute which was founded by an oil man in the 1940s and which performs research on among other things:
"...geochemistry; hydrology and geohydrology; materials sciences and fracture mechanics; nondestructive evaluation; oil and gas exploration; pipeline technology; surface modification and coatings; and vehicle, engine, and powertrain design, research, and development."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southw...arch_Institute


The poorly supported position of a charismatic TEDTalker who was, and continues to be, employed by entities with a vested interest is NOT convincing compared to the EPA & IEA who are substantially disinterested in the outcome of the debates regarding global warming and how the remediate potential negative impacts.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by newhaul

In 8 minutes? Nope and you should check the dates on your linked articles before making such assumptions.
First link was from December of 2021
The second was from October of 2022
The EPA sorry but I don't trust a government beurocrat agency that has been pushing a false narrative for 2 decades.
All are patiently incorrect. But you won't have proof until itx to late to save yourself

Oh, I see, gov't conspiracy, 'nuf said.

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by Adelie

'''''''''''' the EPA & IEA who are substantially disinterested in the outcome of the debates regarding global warming

"Substantially disinterested"?
Has there ever in recorded history been a govt. agency that was disinterested in the outcome of debates?
I think not.
All such agencies never reach a "red line", it's a constant progression of more control, more regulation, more people, bigger offices and more money.
And more lies to justify their very existence.
It's not in the best interests to actually "solve" anything, if they did their raison d'etre would disappear.
So, they nibble around the edges, creating new panels of "experts" who will identify new "problems" that must be immediately addressed to prevent serious disaster.
Then a "consensus" is arrived at, that the serious disasters can only be averted with new ways to further harass and empty the pockets of the citizens.
It's not anything new, it's been going on since Biblical times at least.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

I watched the clip of this TEDTalk.
It's from 3.5yr ago.
The description by TED indicates:
"NOTE FROM TED: This talk only reflects the speaker's personal views and interpretation. Several claims in this talk lack scientific support."
Previously he worked for the vehicle manufacturers SAIC & Jaguar/Land Rover.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/graham-c...ls/experience/
He currently works for SouthWest Research Institute which was founded by an oil man in the 1940s and which performs research on among other things:
"...geochemistry; hydrology and geohydrology; materials sciences and fracture mechanics; nondestructive evaluation; oil and gas exploration; pipeline technology; surface modification and coatings; and vehicle, engine, and powertrain design, research, and development."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southw...arch_Institute


The poorly supported position of a charismatic TEDTalker who was, and continues to be, employed by entities with a vested interest is NOT convincing compared to the EPA & IEA who are substantially disinterested in the outcome of the debates regarding global warming and how the remediate potential negative impacts.

Remember how Bill Gates mare his money? They don't call him the third of silicon valley for nothing

The facts are there if one is willing to look however you will likely have to use the wayback machine. As many facts have been scrubbed from the www in the last 2 years .

Look up burn arranges for the USA since the 1920s or how about the dust bowl that Steinbeck wrote a book about. Or the little ice age cold dreary weather that prodded Mary Shelley to write the novel Frankenstein.

No government agency is disinterested in an outcome they tend to do things that will bring about the outcome their leaders wish to happen .

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Oh, I see, gov't conspiracy, 'nuf said.

con·spir·a·cy
/kənˈspirəsē/
noun
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful

There are several theories as to what harm and not everything is bodily harmful.

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by newhaul

No actuality is it was flagged due to not conforming to UN policy. Dig and you will find the truth.
Side note diesel will never go away it is an essential to modern life. What do you think furnace oil is?

Nearly same as Jet engine fuel.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by geoleo

Nearly same as Jet engine fuel.

Close but opposite ends of diesel spectrum furnace oil is low grade diesel and main jp4 or civilian jet A jet fuel is Kerosene or one step above diesel . ( Highly refined diesel . )

[JBP]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Side note diesel will never go away it is an essential to modern life. What do you think furnace oil is?

While that may sound as a patently false statement given the finite amount of natural oil/diesel, there are actually ways to create diesel from renewable solar, wind, etc. It is still in very early stages, but it does work.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrofuel

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/20/pors...ternative.html

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by JBP

While that may sound as a patently false statement given the finite amount of natural diesel, there are ways to create diesel from renewable solar, wind, etc. It is still in very early stages, but it does work.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrofuel

It's not in the very early stages, it's in the stagnating until it become economical stage.

During WW2 the Nazis survived as long as they did on synthetic fuels which accounted for a significant fraction of the fuels they used.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisc...ropsch_process

I agree that the other electro-fuels are not very well developed yet.

Whatever electro-fuel comes to dominate the portable fuels market now occupied by gas/petrol & diesel, it will be expensive and will be used in relatively niche applications compared to now.

Actually I suspect different electro-fuels will occupy different niches. It all depends on relative cost and weight sensitivity.

Long range airliners will use synthetic kerosene, the existing technology is advanced enough that the cost of designing new engines for a different fuel will not be cost effective compared to paying a fuel premium. Any other fuel would have specific energy problems that would cost in paying payload, planes are just too weight sensitive. Airliners will slow down and they may become somewhat hybrid.

Ships may go to ammonia, or methane with is being explored now. They are relatively weight insensitive but there are energy density and cost issues which mean it is hard to predict which will come out on top. And they will all start sporting sails again to shave down fuels costs.

For personal vehicles, I expect most will be EVS, some will be hybrid vehicles using butanol or synthetic gas/petrol. Butanol is pretty much a drop-in replacement for gas/petrol, though it has a lower energy density and lower specific energy. Whether butanol or gas/petrol dominates will depend on which fuel is more economical to produce. I expect that Auto-Trains (trains carrying cars and passenger accommodations will allow folks with EVs to make long distance trips.

For long haul trucking, I expect trucks to convert completely to battery electric using overhead catenary power on highways and major arterials. I expect they will have 150-250mi battery range. And there will be fuel powered semis serving out of the way places far from where catenaries have been installed.

For farming. I having no idea how that might shake out.

[SV OutofHere]

Transportation produce around 15% of the green house gases world wide each year.

[Tedd]

Originally Posted by belizesailor

...how do you top up at some remote atoll?

I expect that's going to be handled by regeneration. With a slight compromise in cruising speed you can reach your anchorage with a full charge, ready for whatever motoring you require before the next day's cruising.