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Old 16-06-2018, 18:27   #31
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Simple, clean your bottom in an approved facility that retains wash water for treatment. It's called looking after the planet.
that my friend is the definition of a short haul .
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However you want to say it, but just to me itís beginning to sound like if you want to go to Vanuatu, upon arrival your being hauled and the hull pressure washed?
In truth as long as itís close to an industry standard charge and isnít excessive, I wouldnít mind. Might even buy a bottom job if is priced reasonably.
However not being any expert, I wonder how much worse wiping the hull off is as opposed to ships just moving thru the water.
I have never seen a facility that captures and treats the water, of course as have not seen all that many really.
Treat with what, chlorine?
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that my friend is the definition of a short haul .
Yes, I realise that but our pilot friend had suggested that the legislation was a result of lobbying by someone who was building a facility. I don't take kindly to having the integrity of my industry defamed.
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Yes, I realise that but our pilot friend had suggested that the legislation was a result of lobbying by someone who was building a facility. I don't take kindly to having the integrity of my industry defamed.


In truth that last sentence was a shot in the dark, but now Iím beginning to wonder if just possibly it was prophetic?

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In truth that last sentence was a shot in the dark, but now Iím beginning to wonder if just possibly it was prophetic?

Chicken or egg is irrelevant to who pays for breakfast.
It is not irrelevant when it carries with it the hint of corruption.
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However you want to say it, but just to me itís beginning to sound like if you want to go to Vanuatu, upon arrival your being hauled and the hull pressure washed?
In truth as long as itís close to an industry standard charge and isnít excessive, I wouldnít mind. Might even buy a bottom job if is priced reasonably.
However not being any expert, I wonder how much worse wiping the hull off is as opposed to ships just moving thru the water.
I have never seen a facility that captures and treats the water, of course as have not seen all that many really.
Treat with what, chlorine?
Where on earth did you get the notion that it is compulsory to clean a boat on or before arrival in Vanuatu? I would suggest that if you are going to have a crack at people that you apprise yourself of the facts beforehand.
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It is not irrelevant when it carries with it the hint of corruption.


I do not mean to offend, I really donít.
However it is sort of how Business is run in the World, some call it providing a needed service, or taking advantage of a need.
I have no issue with it, just as long as I have said that it doesnít get abused. As I said if I can get a good bottom job at a decent price, then Iíd likely schedule one, I donít think I should cruise for free, nor do I expect anyone to carry any burden based on my actions.
Most of the Keys in Fl are concerned with discharge of sewage, so they ensure that itís actually very easy to pump out, and usually there is no charge. That tells me that they are seriously concerned for environmental damage.
However if they got aggressive and began overcharging, well then Iíd start to think they were more concerned for their bank accounts than the environment.
I guess we will see if short hauls and pressure washing in approved facilities exist for the environment or other reasons when we hear what the charge is, and no I would not expect free, just not overpriced.
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I do not mean to offend, I really donít.
However it is sort of how Business is run in the World, some call it providing a needed service, or taking advantage of a need.
I have no issue with it, just as long as I have said that it doesnít get abused. As I said if I can get a good bottom job at a decent price, then Iíd likely schedule one, I donít think I should cruise for free, nor do I expect anyone to carry any burden based on my actions.
Most of the Keys in Fl are concerned with discharge of sewage, so they ensure that itís actually very easy to pump out, and usually there is no charge. That tells me that they are seriously concerned for environmental damage.
However if they got aggressive and began overcharging, well then Iíd start to think they were more concerned for their bank accounts than the environment.
I guess we will see if short hauls and pressure washing in approved facilities exist for the environment or other reasons when we hear what the charge is, and no I would not expect free, just not overpriced.
You did offend with your implication that the legislation was a result of lobbying by someone developing a facility. An apology is usually deemed to be the appropriate response when offence is caused but of course, once it has been suggested an apology is in order any subsequent apology becomes meaningless.
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It appears that it only applies to commercial vessels. If I read this article correctly
International vessels prohibited from underwater hull cleaning in Vanuatu waters | News | dailypost.vu
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Where on earth did you get the notion that it is compulsory to clean a boat on or before arrival in Vanuatu? I would suggest that if you are going to have a crack at people that you apprise yourself of the facts beforehand.


Letís see if I understand.
I have to show up with a clean bottom.
Iím not allowed to clean the bottom myself, so how is it to get cleaned?
Or am I not understanding what you have said? Have I misinterpreted?

Iím not taking a crack at anyone, but somehow you have become offended, why is that?
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It appears that it only applies to commercial vessels. If I read this article correctly
International vessels prohibited from underwater hull cleaning in Vanuatu waters | News | dailypost.vu
I can't see anywhere in that article that specifies commercial vessels only. In fact the lead sentence states "As of yesterday, June 8, 2018, all international vessels entering Vanuatu are prohibited to undertake any underwater hull cleaning and discharging of their ballast waters within the country’s marine waters, especially within any ports of the Republic of Vanuatu."
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It appears that it only applies to commercial vessels. If I read this article correctly
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Way I read it, it didnít state Commercial only, but did seem to imply that they were the problem, I didnít see small Boat addressed.
I never knew divers cleaned cruise ships, wonder how many, and how long that takes.
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Letís see if I understand.
I have to show up with a clean bottom.
Iím not allowed to clean the bottom myself, so how is it to get cleaned?
Or am I not understanding what you have said? Have I misinterpreted?

Iím not taking a crack at anyone, but somehow you have become offended, why is that?
No, you don't understand. Quite where your got the notion that you are required to arrive or depart with a clean hull is beyond me. I have never said anything to infer that at all. You do realise I assume that Vanuatu and New Zealand are not the same country? Nothing would surprise me.
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Letís see if I understand.

Iím not taking a crack at anyone, but somehow you have become offended, why is that?
You DID take a crack by inferring this legislation was a result of industry lobbying. We jail corrupt people here.
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No, you don't understand. Quite where your got the notion that you are required to arrive or depart with a clean hull is beyond me. I have never said anything to infer that at all. You do realise I assume that Vanuatu and New Zealand are not the same country? Nothing would surprise me.


No, I do understand, and in particular I thought it interesting that you pointed out two things.
1. We canít do a good job of cleaning ourselves, and you were a little offended about people who try apparently
2. A hull has to have been cleaned within 30 days prior to arriving in New Zealand, and then you made the point that often Vanuatu is a jumping off point for New Zealand
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