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26-01-2016, 23:39
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
If they are 71 years old and can remember being rescued 7 times they are not doing too badly?
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27-01-2016, 05:17
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#62
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
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Originally Posted by RaymondR
If they are 71 years old and can remember being rescued 7 times they are not doing too badly?
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I don't think they remember, because I don't think they have been rescued 7 times.
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27-01-2016, 05:40
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
Way I see it, and I am speculating admittedly.
The may neither have the the time or funds to do it right, they go now, in that boat, or they never go.
One knows a little about sailing, the other knows next to nothing, and I feel sure neither has much actual real experience, things like the huge tides over there are probably completely new to them, they may have read about it etc, but experience? No.
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27-01-2016, 06:12
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
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Originally Posted by sirfer
I'm not one for making comments, as I have too much still to learn, however being a resident in St Ives I think I may be able to offer a few salient points.
The below are two links from the BBC local news.
Yachtsmen call rescue teams nine times in seven months - BBC News
Yachtsmen rescued by lifeboat crews seven times since July - BBC News
I know one of the crew of the RLNI on that shout, and I also know the fisherman who was interviewed.
Having been told not to tie up in St Ives harbour as the tide would drop out and they would tip over, they have gone to Hayle, less than a mile away, and done precisely that. Perhaps in sixty years of sailing, he's never come across tides.
To need assistance once is unfortunate, twice is careless. To expect people who are volunteers to risk their lives for you on a regular basis is ignorant to the point of stupidity.
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Being a long keeled boat its a shame no one there told him how to set his lines and run a masthead line to shore to sit.. Its common enough practice on the S coast..
'If' he had no tidal experience.. which is strange considering he's just come down from Norway over the last 7mths..
Could he just have been being wittily sarcastic.. it does get tempting..
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27-01-2016, 08:42
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
To quote the Hayle harbour master....
"The yacht was assisted into harbour on Monday evening and the owners were told how to tie up to the quayside. They either didn't understand or couldn't do it properly because they didn't comply and the yacht tipped over when the tide went out. "
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"They have been advised not to proceed to sea without a thorough assessment"
And their response..."As soon as we get northerly winds, we'll go out"
Perhaps one of the gentleman is the fabled "old, bold pilot" that was never thought to exist!
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27-01-2016, 10:42
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
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27-01-2016, 11:01
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
Sounds like they are done now. Fire that requires 2 hose reels etc to put out, has to be major damage.
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27-01-2016, 11:04
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
Okay, I was trying not to be judgemental, even though that's out of character for me
But: "... exacerbated by the fact they had left a candle burning when they popped ashore for groceries" on top of everything else.
That's not an unexpected mechanical failure, or a sudden weather change, or whatever. These guys are their own worst enemies.
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27-01-2016, 11:51
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
Neptune's feeling generous..
They get to fly home...
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27-01-2016, 12:43
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
"Bob Weise and Steve Shapiro have called out lifeboats in Norway, Denmark, Scotland, Ireland and Cornwall since setting sail from Norway last July."
At least they've been spreading the love around.
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27-01-2016, 13:13
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Heard on radio story this afternoon about them.
11 rescues, and one from a volunteer group that claims it's 24k for the rescue.
Seems costly for many too.
What a story.
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27-01-2016, 13:17
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailorboy1
I don't think they remember, because I don't think they have been rescued 7 times.
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What was the question?
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27-01-2016, 13:21
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage
Leaving a lit candle and leaving the boat? WTF!!! If this is true, maybe there is a case of senile dementia, that's really sort of an incomprehensible act.
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27-01-2016, 14:23
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Rescued transatlantic duo are 'catastrophe waiting to happen'
Apparently these guys are on their way to Maine, US from UK and they've already been rescued 9 times in the last seven months
Rescued transatlantic duo are 'catastrophe waiting to happen' - BBC News
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27-01-2016, 14:29
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Re: Rescued transatlantic duo are 'catastrophe waiting to happen'
All I can say is WOW!
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