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Old 15-05-2020, 07:33   #31
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Re: How bad is this damage / how easy to repair?

At that price it looks like a lot of boat to get on the water and just go sailing not worrying about appearances. Put it this way, if you crunched a dock or lock there isn't going to be the tears if it was a newish $200k yacht.

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I can't find the offer again, but it basically survived a hurricane and had another boat crash into it or something. The rigging and masts need to be redone. It seems the interior was spared, but the outside is damaged everywhere lol

While I am a very handy-man kinda guy, I have no experience in this. I'm sure I could learn, but as was mentioned by many of you, I don't think it'd be worth the investment (and potential risk of sinking).
Fiberglass work is easy, even for a beginner, if you just charge into it. A nice job however, takes time a skill and some experience. Post #2 got it right.

But two other comments:
1. Rigging and masts? There is some money and not easy to DIY.
2. What have you got when done? An old hurricane damaged boat repaired on the cheap and in my opinion it's not a very good boat to begin with (does not sail well).
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I've never actually had to repair a boat, and recently came across a Morgan OutIsland 415 with "some" transom damage. I was wondering how easily repairable it would be - see picture attached.
An experienced fiberglass worker would expend hundreds of hours and cost more than $10,000 for this serious repair. Note the hull/deck joint separation, and you can count on considerable delamination at impact points that will require cutting and replacing.

As an inexperienced worker, plan on taking more than twice as much time.
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Re: How bad is this damage / how easy to repair?

https://youtu.be/8a3_OYVNZOg Here is a video of the repairs to "Magic Carper". This is probably a good place to get an Idea of serious damage repairs. He has MANY videos of the repairs and sailing this boat.
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There's some fortune with the photo and the 415 model. I had a 413 Morgan Out Island for 32 years (see avatar photo) and the hull-deck joint was at the location at the center of your damage, but when constructing the 415 Morgans the hull-deck joint was moved up to the toe rail where you have no significant damage. This means that you have a very scarred area at an area with a very robust hull and I would not hesitate to take on this kind of reconstruction if the acquisition of the boat was available at a low cost.

I'm very familiar with these boats having owned and cruised them for 45 years. Depending upon the location of the boat, I could be interested in providing some more detailed assistance. Send me a PM if you like.
Here you go OP, an offer you can’t refuse. This is the only post that has any merit here. You will get more of the lazy naysayers empty advice.
The Morgan’s are tanks, if ye were a pirate you’d have already left the dock without fixin the scratching.
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An experienced fiberglass worker would expend hundreds of hours and cost more than $10,000 for this serious repair. Note the hull/deck joint separation, and you can count on considerable delamination at impact points that will require cutting and replacing.

As an inexperienced worker, plan on taking more than twice as much time.
I can build a whole boat in “ hundreds of hours”.
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That boat has been on various for sale sites for several years.

I periodically look for Morgan OIs as they are high on my list for a great-loop boat.
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Fiberglass work is easy, even for a beginner, if you just charge into it. A nice job however, takes time a skill and some experience. Post #2 got it right.

But two other comments:
1. Rigging and masts? There is some money and not easy to DIY.
2. What have you got when done? An old hurricane damaged boat repaired on the cheap and in my opinion it's not a very good boat to begin with (does not sail well).
Hurricane damage ? Geez the sails are still wrapped !
What the heck you looking at ?
This boat or another broke loose and this is the result.
If you want a dock queen this ain’t it .
But if you want a loop boat , this might work. This could be a liveaboard easily.
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I'm in Wallaby's camp. Anything can be fixed Clemroc. But the look of the boat in this poor picture says the transom will be the opening salvo on your checking account. This boat is probably close to derelict status. You have to go to the boat and survey it yourself. Don't even bother having the boat professionally looked at until you get boots on the ground and a good look-see.

I took a boat 3 years ago. A 28 foot Sharpie. She leaked like hell on our test sail. Trailerable boat. I could see fiberglass tape problems on the chines. But she was salty and the price was right. Good boat for the San Francisco delta due to her shallow draft and centerboard + rudder both being able to be adjusted due to shallow water. I am already 45K dollars into her refit and she is not done. She is a plywood boat and so I had to sand her down to bare plywood, then fiberglassed her. The toe rails were wonky. So I had to strip all of the weird fiberglass off of her and redo the whole deck and toe rails. She sits in a storage facility waiting my next big go at her. Almost all of it was my labor. Out of the 45K...maybe 10 K of it was for professional help teaching me how to fiberglass and tip and roll.

So, Clemroc, it is always about time, cost of materials, professional help when you need it, skill sets, and how badly do you want to do this? There are countless videos on YouTube with young couples who buy beat up boats and spend 2-3 years redoing a boat and then sailing off into patronage seeking clients to support their adventures. I'm not saying …."Don't buy this boat"...I'm saying ….be fully aware of what you are stepping into. I learned a lot about fiberglassing. I have a full time job so my funds are pretty good. But if I had to do it all over again. I wouldn't do it. It was too much time. It was filthy dirty work. It is dangerous work for allergenic reasons and lung health reasons. You find dozens of things that need to be repaired as you go along that you didn't account for. If you are a guy...how do you just let those things slide? I couldn't and I bet you couldn't either.

It's like going to the senior prom in high school. Your hormones are raging. Some beautiful young girl is giving you the signal she wants to dance. You dance...it leads to a slow dance. Your bodies are pressed one another and your impulses are off the chart. Three months later you get a call from her. "I'm pregnant!" Your life is now consumed with damage repair and long term responsibilities that you had not expected with "the dance"....taking on a major project is full of romantic ideas about bringing her back to her glory. You have been seduced by some part of your id (do you read Freud? If not, you should. Read about the id, the ego, and the superego) Taking on a project like this is some serious cat sh!t. It is a marriage in almost every aspect of what that means. Except there are no E ticket rides in the bedroom. All of your time, all of your money, and energy will be dedicated to her for no less than 2 years....longer if you still work.

If you are married...you will soon be divorced....smile....you will have a new woman to support. Except now you will be sending a good portion of your funds to the ex and eating Mac-n-cheese and hotdogs...peanut butter and jelly on white bread can get you by for many days...think long and hard Clemroc. There are many sailors on here who can attest to what i'm saying about divorces due to boats. It is a sick thing really...and quite tragic.
Allan are you speaking through experience or just writing analogies?
Are you married to this sharpie ? Who would spend 45k on fixing a sharpie?

Just asking
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I can't find the offer again, but it basically survived a hurricane and had another boat crash into it or something. The rigging and masts need to be redone. It seems the interior was spared, but the outside is damaged everywhere lol

While I am a very handy-man kinda guy, I have no experience in this. I'm sure I could learn, but as was mentioned by many of you, I don't think it'd be worth the investment (and potential risk of sinking).
Did you post to just troll us poor covid19 shut ins ?
Show us the link you found this boat.
And did you get on this boat ? Really?
I see sails still wrapped. Rigging need replaced ?....??
Methinks you some kind of scheister....
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I can build a whole boat in “ hundreds of hours”.

It can take an awful lot more time and effort to make good then to start from scratch, so there is some degree of merit in the argument.
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Did you post to just troll us poor covid19 shut ins ?
Show us the link you found this boat.
And did you get on this boat ? Really?
I see sails still wrapped. Rigging need replaced ?....??
Methinks you some kind of scheister....
Pardon me, I am not quite understanding your post Thruska

Alas, I am also a Covid19 shut-in, but it's for the best! Stay safe folks!

As for the link, like I said I am unable to find it again. No I did not go on board, I just saw the offer on some website, if I recall correctly it was about 15-18k USD, give or take.
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Hopefully you're not serious. It looks like there are lot of other issues.
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There are good 30 to 40 year old boats being given away, why bother with a junker?
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Some Gorilla tape , a quart of Rust-Oleum white and go sailing. Might want to haul out first and check bottom damage. You never know what you might find. Being said from a person on their second year of repairing the bottom of a bargain boat.
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