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View Poll Results: Do you have some kind of sailing certification?
Yes, I have a certification. 146 70.87%
No, I have no certification. 60 29.13%
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Old 31-08-2019, 19:19   #46
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I have radio operators license, My state Boat license (which is a simple book test required to operate any motor driven water-craft). After living aboard for a year, I decided to do RYA day skipper. Enjoyed it so much that the following year I did coastal skipper & now plan to work towards yachtmaster and also a basic diesel mechanic course. My husband who is wiser, cleverer and a better sailor & mechanic than me has only the boat license, and prefers to phone a friend or YouTube. He doesnít really get why I would pay for a course, but heís a pilot, plumper, electrician, builder & heavy vehicle-driver & I donít think he fully understands how dumb I am.
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80/20. 80% have some firm of certification. I'd have never known this. Thank you for voting.

I'm one of those 30 years on the water types who self educated. I have a USCG masters of sail only. Expired.
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He doesnít really get why I would pay for a course, but heís a pilot, plumper, electrician, builder & heavy vehicle-driver & I donít think he fully understands how dumb I am.
You are being hard on yourself when you say "dumb". In most cases it is just a lack of experience. It is smart to gain that experience from others. If that means paying for a course that provides the experience, camaraderie, and confidence to improve and move forward, then I say you are making some smart decisions.

Any expert has a long history of mistakes in their past. Some get away with doing it the wrong way for the length of their careers and are never called to task for it because their customers don't know more about it than they do.

YouTube is filled with cringeworthy advice and techniques. Just because you posted a video doesn't mean that you know what you are doing or the technique is correct. As an example outside of boating, there are several construction channels which are very entertaining to watch but their projects don't meet the building codes. The feedback that they get is based on the entertainment value, but there is damage being done if others watch these videos before taking on their own projects thinking that they are seeing "best practices".

I applaud you for taking the classes. Learn, go forward with confidence, and don't beat yourself up if you make a few mistakes. They are part of learning too.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:27   #49
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AB Unlimited, 100t Master NC & will be sitting for my 500t Mate within the net two weeks.

I've also taken whatever NYS calls its "boater safety test" these days but I was 10 years old for that.
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I never saw a need to have a boating license. In the USA where I hail from no license is required. I'm now in the Med and some countries are insisting on the master of an incoming vessel have a license or certificate showing competence. I did have a 100 ton near coastal masters certificate issued by the USCG, but I let it expire when I retired and went cruising. Clearing into Turkey I was asked for a drivers' license. In Greece nothing was asked for. In Albania, nothing was asked for, but in Montenegro the operator must have something. I carry the last issue of my expired masters certificate and offered that and it passed muster. They are very strict in Montenegro. If you sail in with nothing, you will have to hire a qualified person to move your boat off the Customs wharf. Don't go there with out something showing qualifications. I'm in Croatia now and they asked for a license. If one is planning on going cruising, getting a certificate will probably prove beneficial. More countries will probably jump on the wagon and up their requirements. The same thing is happening with AIS transponders. You might as well get one now if you are going to foreign lands.
Some USA States do require liscencing/education.

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I never saw a need to have a boating license. In the USA where I hail from no license is required. I'm now in the Med and some countries are insisting on the master of an incoming vessel have a license or certificate showing competence. I did have a 100 ton near coastal masters certificate issued by the USCG, but I let it expire when I retired and went cruising. Clearing into Turkey I was asked for a drivers' license. In Greece nothing was asked for. In Albania, nothing was asked for, but in Montenegro the operator must have something. I carry the last issue of my expired masters certificate and offered that and it passed muster. They are very strict in Montenegro. If you sail in with nothing, you will have to hire a qualified person to move your boat off the Customs wharf. Don't go there with out something showing qualifications. I'm in Croatia now and they asked for a license. If one is planning on going cruising, getting a certificate will probably prove beneficial. More countries will probably jump on the wagon and up their requirements. The same thing is happening with AIS transponders. You might as well get one now if you are going to foreign lands.
For anyone considering letting their USCG liscence expire, look into placing it into "continuity". This essentially places the liscence in a suspended state, you cant work using it, but reactivating it is much easier than starting over if you allow it to expire. It can be held in continuity indefinately.

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Old 01-09-2019, 07:31   #52
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The people behind every medical malpractice death (in the US anyway) has some kind of medical education certificate and state license to practice. In 99.9% of all airplane crashes there was a licensed pilot at the controls. The majority of fraud cases involving real estate transactions are committed by licensed individuals. Many bad hairdos are done by licensed barbers and beauticians..... None of it means squat when you climb in the cockpit, boat or airplane. They are all just pieces of paper..... All they really do is get the charter company and their insurers off the hook if you screw up.
Kind of a wierd attitude for someone who has completed and obtained so many "certifications", isn't it? Surely you see the point of there being minimum standards for taking part in professions and activities that put the public at risk, and of accepted certifications to indicate that someone has met those standards. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

For each of your many "certifications", wasn't there the slightest moment of satisfaction in successfully passing the tests, and an enduring pride that there is incontrovertible proof of your accomplishments?
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I have a USCG master license with sailing endorsement
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Kind of a wierd attitude for someone who has completed and obtained so many "certifications", isn't it? Surely you see the point of there being minimum standards for taking part in professions and activities that put the public at risk, and of accepted certifications to indicate that someone has met those standards. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

For each of your many "certifications", wasn't there the slightest moment of satisfaction in successfully passing the tests, and an enduring pride that there is incontrovertible proof of your accomplishments?

I believe the point was holding a license doesn't mean your competent, it just means you passed a test.
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I believe the point was holding a license doesn't mean your competent, it just means you passed a test.


A USCG license requires documentation of considerable sea time, a complete physical exam, three professional recommendations, a background check, and extensive testing on a dozen topics. To say that it's just a piece of paper is insulting to everyone that has earned one.
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I can see both sides of this since I've been there done that. On one hand, yes you are proud of your accomplishment and probably needed the licensing process to motivate your studies and serve as a measuring stick.... ego has its ups and downs, but once you pass, you now know how much you don't know which is humbling and frustrating.

Mistakes will be made. There is no guaranty that the licensing process will prevent mistakes, but on the whole, I do think that society is better off for having measurable standards. It isn't a perfect system but each of us are better, even if only in a small way, for having passed those tests and certifications. You do learn along the way...

Now only if we had standards for our politicians and lawmakers.....where are their tests, certifications, experience and background investigations?
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What I liked in the licensing process best was the socialising part: you know, you get to meet many very manly men all dreaming of long offshore passages. So romantic. They have Rolexes and talk a lot about sex tants. Really cool.



The downside was complete lack of female companions. So I am not very sure of why so many Rolexes and all those sleeves rolled up. Impressing whom?



'Hands on' sailing courses (I attended one on a tall ship) too seem so much like a less radical form of religious extremism: mostly young males with military cut and Armani T-shirts. Musto and HellyHansen logos on every piece of clothing. Foreboding. And correctly so. Once on the deck, I noticed a most discomforting 9:1 male/female ratio.



Did I learn anything else? Yes, I guess quite a lot. If only the environment were a bit less serious, a bit more cosmopolitan, I could attend more courses and take more exams. Why not.


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A USCG license requires documentation of considerable sea time, a complete physical exam, three professional recommendations, a background check, and extensive testing on a dozen topics. To say that it's just a piece of paper is insulting to everyone that has earned one.

I don't consider what I said to be an insult, I consider it to be realistic. I've earned a USCG license & I'm currently studying to advance it. I have also sailed with masters who are the very definition of "able to pass a test" but terrible captains/mariners. The point stands, regardless of its offensiveness.
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My wife and I both hold USCG 50 ton master, towing and sailing endorsements, radio station license, EPIRB and AIS Class B registered, SSB, VHS, insurance papers. USCG Masters will reduce your insurance somewhat. Get your free annual courtesy inspection and sticker from the USCG Aux. Bonaire was the only place (Caribbean or US) that ever asked for insurance papers.
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