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06-05-2014, 05:54
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#106
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Seville London Eastbourne
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
For me, the difference for boat ownership comes down to cost and usage. If cost was not a limiting factor, I would head straight for this vessel. It would meet my dreams in a number of ways. I could run Seminars aboard, do luxury 2 day cruises for friends and family and give up NOTHING about life in a house.
However, cost is an issue. Nephew #3 is getting a monohull and Im invited to sail anytime. Strangely enough, it looks like it might be a Taurus. I love them babies.
The step down for me from the Florida Baycruiser is a Catamaran. Boatie pointed out that he doesnt like the slamming or the creaking in a rising sea. I agree...... but I love having my drink where I put it and not needing a gimballed cooker I love not having my sail in the water and the edge of the boat under water...... I love standing on the deck as opposed to the sides of the boat.
Horses for courses.
Oh one more thing........ Im often told how slow Cats are...... "They only do 7 knots!"
I dont know about you but 7 knots is pretty cool in my experience on anything.... and Ive been on the smaller Cats that when boosted by wind and tide do a sparkling 10+knots......and they have a Hull speed of 7 knots.
weird
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06-05-2014, 05:54
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#107
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CF Adviser
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Wherever our boat is; Playa Zaragoza, Isla Margarita
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
For my current purposes, I would not consider going back to a monohull as my primary boat. That being said, I have often thought how much I would like to have another folkboat as a daysailor/occasional overnighter. Very pretty with her gracefull sheer, low freeboard and spoon bow. They also sail incredibly well with a decent turn of speed (especially considering the short lwl), a very sea-kindly motion and terrific balance - you really can sail them better upwind by properly balancing the sails rather than using the tiller. Mine would head up in the puffs and off in the lulls, absolutely never stalling or wandering off course.
The narrow beam, of course, makes them initially quite tender - although that provides almost instantaneous feedback. The low freeboard dramatically reduces interior space, but it improves both aesthetics and again, the 'feel' while sailing. Finally, while the cabin is miniscule, there is something appealing about climbing into a small, snug, traditional cabin after a long days sail.
IMO for 'feel' while sailing, monohulls are often better than multihulls. And the best of the monohulls in that regard are, at least for me, smaller boats with tillers, low freeboard, low windage, relatively narrow beam and some significant underbody rocker.
Brad
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06-05-2014, 05:57
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#108
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,823
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
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Originally Posted by tomfl
I love having two screws close to amid ships so I can turn the boat in its own length.
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FWIW, all fixed keel cats behave the same. It's due to the keels, not engine placement.
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06-05-2014, 06:18
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#109
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florida
Boat: Seawind 1000xl
Posts: 2,592
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
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Originally Posted by weavis
There is a definite lack of humour in this thread.......
Lighten up fellahs!
And Winn-Dixie is a better deal not to mention a lot cheaper.
(I lived in Florida from 2002 to 2011 so am familiar with the whole scene.)
...... and have a little experience with boating and provisioning etc.
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There is an app for that.
I can check prices and specials on line and select which store I go to based on current information. Quite frankly some of the Publix two for one specials off lower prices than even Walmart, not to mention Winn-Dixie.
But my point was not that one supermarket was better than another, rather that in many places there are simply no supermarkets at all.
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06-05-2014, 06:19
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#110
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,498
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
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Originally Posted by caradow
Wow great response and can't say surprised at all the comments.
But still looking for that individual who once owned a cat then bought a monohull and remained happy with their decision.
surly you are out there.....hello.....hello...
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I own both. Happy.
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06-05-2014, 06:20
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#111
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Seville London Eastbourne
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
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Originally Posted by tomfl
There is an app for that.
I can check prices and specials on line and select which store I go to based on current information. Quite frankly some of the Publix two for one specials off lower prices than even Walmart, not to mention Winn-Dixie.
But my point was not that one supermarket was better than another, rather that in many places there are simply no supermarkets at all.
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and my point is that it was a joke to start with.....
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10% of conflicts are due to different opinions. 90% by the tone of voice.
Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.
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06-05-2014, 06:20
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#112
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florida
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
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Originally Posted by Southern Star
SNIP
IMO for 'feel' while sailing, monohulls are often better than multihulls. And the best of the monohulls in that regard are, at least for me, smaller boats with tillers, low freeboard, low windage, relatively narrow beam and some significant underbody rocker.
Brad
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Betting a nickle you have never sailed on an Fboat. From a C24 to a C31 I have never seen as light a tiller as those boats, not to mention they will run away from just about anything around.
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06-05-2014, 06:23
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#113
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florida
Boat: Seawind 1000xl
Posts: 2,592
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
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Originally Posted by DotDun
FWIW, all fixed keel cats behave the same. It's due to the keels, not engine placement.
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Not sure what point you are trying to make. My post was comparing tris to cats and noting that many cats have twin screws while every tri I have ever seen has a single screw.
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06-05-2014, 06:24
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#114
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Seville London Eastbourne
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomfl
Betting a nickle you have never sailed on an Fboat. From a C24 to a C31 I have never seen as light a tiller as those boats, not to mention they will run away from just about anything around.
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- Never test how deep the water is with both feet -
10% of conflicts are due to different opinions. 90% by the tone of voice.
Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.
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06-05-2014, 06:27
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#115
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florida
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
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Originally Posted by weavis
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Yea, I see boats like that every time I go out.
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06-05-2014, 06:28
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#116
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomfl
Not sure what point you are trying to make. My post was comparing tris to cats and noting that many cats have twin screws while every tri I have ever seen has a single screw.
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You inferred that your boat pivots amidship due to engine placement. My point is that is true no matter engine placement with fixed keel cats. The fixed keel determines pivot point, not engine placement.
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06-05-2014, 06:29
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#117
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Join Date: Feb 2014
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomfl
Yea, I see boats like that every time I go out.
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ha!
see.. I got it!
a guy I used to know was working on figuring out how to do this on a monohull...... not seen it in the news so Id say he hasnt done it yet........
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10% of conflicts are due to different opinions. 90% by the tone of voice.
Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.
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06-05-2014, 06:31
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#118
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
If you had one of these:
Phenocat 664 Catamaran For Sale
I dont think you would go back.
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- Never test how deep the water is with both feet -
10% of conflicts are due to different opinions. 90% by the tone of voice.
Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.
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06-05-2014, 06:54
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#119
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CF Adviser
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
tomfi you are right, I have not sailed a Farrier tri although there is one that does the annual round Amhurst Island race in my neck of the woods and it does seem to be incredibly fast and responsive. No doubt a complete blast, although care does have to be taken to reef down early.
Sadly, for a second boat as a daysailor/occasional overnighter, they are well outside of my 'snack' bracket. A decent fiberglass folkboat, however, can be had for about $10K or less. And again, while I have no desire to be sailing on my ear for extended periods, for short sails I do love the motion to windward and yes, even the initial tenderness and significant heeling that comes with such a design.
Brad
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06-05-2014, 06:55
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#120
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
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Re: Do Multihullers Ever go Back?
For daysailing, I really like outrigger canoes, Polynesian style.
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