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SV Bacchus · 08-09-2018, 11:01

Oh WOW, you are going to sail that brand new boat in those waters???

Just kidding, I'm sure you can do it or you wouldn't even try!

As to WiFi, Off Florida east coast and throughout the Bahamas our 13 year old found enough WiFi at times to keep him happy and at other times he was happy to drive. He also read some real books!

Adrian NAMT · 08-09-2018, 11:03

Sailing culture - this is a big and complex topic. I think a lot of sailors do think about it. We make our decisions about sailing based on our values and beliefs that are grounded in our cultures.
Our sailing cultures are influenced by many factors - social and economic class, religion, gender, nationalism, environmentalism ...... Yet there are clear underlying values and beliefs I see in our literature. I read Ted Heath's "Sailing: A Course of my life" and Bill Buckley's books (four of them) - each a completely different person from me in terms of politics, wealth, ego, social class ..... Still I would have jumped at the chance to sail with them. Each was an icon, of sorts, for sailing culture.
Maybe the sailing culture exists because we share a deep, personal, appreciation of using the two uncontrollable natural forces of wind and water while relying on our own natural skills and abilities (now being replaced by technology). The best sailing authors seem to start telling their stories when they are aware of their own inner values and beliefs and can relate to their mental and physical experience while sailing. They feel a commitment to support communities of sailors and a strong sailing culture. Starting, contributing to and reading a thread like this one supports our sailing culture at a time when our culture faces many threats and choices.

nwdiver · 08-09-2018, 11:38

The sailing is the same everywhere, A to B don't touch bottom, now yes the cultures are different in different areas.......... I find the culture in thr PNE or as most call it PNW to be very different than the rest of North America.....more laid back and just do it, eh....

**James S** · 08-09-2018, 12:10

I may or may not have had two glasses of wine.. and as such wont get to philosophical and maintain my standing as a reasonable and level headed member.. but I will say that I dont think of 2 meters as shallow draft.... and I will say that the Cuve'e 2010 is very nice wine.....

**atoll** · 08-09-2018, 12:41

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Originally Posted by nwdiver

The sailing is the same everywhere, A to B don't touch bottom, now yes the cultures are different in different areas.......... I find the culture in thr PNE or as most call it PNW to be very different than the rest of North America.....more laid back and just do it, eh....

i would argue that premise

but agree that it is a good idea not to touch bottom on passage, but as we spend much of our time in safe harbours between passages sitting on the bottom between tides either in the mud,on the beach or dried out against a wall due to the big tides.

this has been the culture of sailing far longer than most modern marinas and ports cater for in current times.

i would argue that it is quite modern for boats to have keels that do not allow them to readily take the bottom comfortably.

wooden boats dating back thousands of years have been launched,stored and sailed from beaches and eastuary's with the help of the rising and falling tide.

this is probably part of sailing culture forgotten by most who assume a boat must float all the time,and those that sail in areas with small tides.

**James S** · 08-09-2018, 12:44

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Originally Posted by atoll

i would argue that premise[emoji2]

but agree that it is a good idea not to touch bottom on passage, but as we spend much of our time in safe harbours between passages sitting on the bottom between tides either in the mud,on the beach or dried out against a wall due to the big tides.

this has been the culture of sailing far longer than most modern marinas and ports cater for in current times.

i would argue that it is quite modern for boats to have keels that do not allow them to readily take the bottom comfortably.

wooden boats dating back thousands of years have been launched,stored and sailed from beaches and eastuary's with the help of the rising and falling tide.

this is probably part of sailing culture forgotten by most who assume a boat must float all the time,and those that sail in areas with small tides.

What Atoll said.. having a full keel toughing bottom isnt a big deal at all...

**Dockhead** · 08-09-2018, 13:41

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Originally Posted by sailor_ed

That chart! Good heavens!!

Fair winds and keep an eye on the depth sounder!

Depth sounder will not help too much, in that place! Depth may go from 60 meters to 0 in a boatlength or less, and the charts are not accurate (intentionally so, to fool Russian invaders, I have been told).

I hit a rock not far from the place shown on the map posted by the OP, exactly on the spot where the chart showed 50 meters of water. Right between the numerals "5" and "0" on the chart

But the Archipelago Sea, despite the extreme challenges of pilotage, is one of the most beautiful places in the world.

NevisDog · 08-09-2018, 14:14

Thanks Barnakiel for those endearing comments; I try to bring a small bottle of rum when neighbouring boats invite us aboard (not like beer drinking, which can make the trip back in the dinghy somewhat hazardous).

But I am still in a state of shock at the incredible difference revealed between (some) US boaters and (some) here in NZ. On another thread I described sailing down NZ's deserted west coast (almost no one sails there - zero shipping, and it's normally a lee shore with mainly bar harbours requiring local knowledge and fair weather to enter, so not a popular place to be). So I mentioned day after day, night after night, kicking back in the cockpit or companionway, reading or daydreaming and gazing at the amazing albatrosses that seem to follow the slow passagemaker.

Well it seems in other locales this is considered heresy; we are required to maintain continuous lookout and must not remove our eyeballs from the empty horizon for fear of who-knows-what catastrophe. DockHead may correct me on my interpretation but hopefully it can be done in the spirit of friendly divergence of views engendered by the title of this new thread. Some of us are laid back when conditions allow, some of us maybe hyper-focussed; I dunno but I hope we can all be civilised and friendly as I'm not about to ram anyone, not in this locale, due to my relaxed view of the world. Horses for courses, as they say.

nwdiver · 08-09-2018, 15:54

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Originally Posted by atoll

i would argue that premise

but agree that it is a good idea not to touch bottom on passage, but as we spend much of our time in safe harbours between passages sitting on the bottom between tides either in the mud,on the beach or dried out against a wall due to the big tides.

this has been the culture of sailing far longer than most modern marinas and ports cater for in current times.

i would argue that it is quite modern for boats to have keels that do not allow them to readily take the bottom comfortably.

wooden boats dating back thousands of years have been launched,stored and sailed from beaches and eastuary's with the help of the rising and falling tide.

this is probably part of sailing culture forgotten by most who assume a boat must float all the time,and those that sail in areas with small tides.

We only have 3-5m tides........we anchor away from drying areas and dingy over at low tide to dig clams in the muddy bits........

MartinAdelaide · 08-09-2018, 18:30

Sailing's what you make of it. I'm happy to just sail around our local Gulf St Vincent, cruise down the metro coast, perhaps down to Kangaroo Island and spot sharks in summer. Some people do high speeds, just off Antarctica.

markpierce · 08-09-2018, 19:34

My impression: half of over-thirty-foot sailboats don't leave their anchorages/marinas more than twice a year. Ninety-nine-percent-plus of the remainder don't attempt to circumnavigate the globe.

AndyEss · 08-09-2018, 20:01

"My impression: half of over-thirty-foot sailboats don't leave their anchorages/marinas more than twice a year. Ninety-nine-percent-plus of the remainder don't attempt to circumnavigate the globe."

Who cares about all the boats that don't move?
Most CF posters are out there sailing someplace.
More positive vibes Moriarty - none of those negative ones.

Sailorbob8599 · 08-09-2018, 20:41

That`s interesting, how did Mark Pierce & Andy Ess both come to post identical comment? Is there a glitch in the system or did they both post a quote made by another person?

NevisDog · 08-09-2018, 20:50

It seems the second poster tried to quote the previous post but didn't hit the "quote" button at the foot of the post he wished to quote - an easy mistake for a relative newbee. Just keep it coming and don't worry about mistakes - we're all human, mostly.