Cruising on $500 per Month . . .

[w1651]

Originally Posted by w1651

Funny i thought it was the first amendment.

By the way it's your right to burn them too!

[w1651]

Originally Posted by callmecrazy

Sorry but hungry people aren't being given doritos and coke. They are given the opportunity to make their own choices. It's their (limited) choice what type of food they eat, or which stores they shop at, or what style clothes they wear, etc.. Not yours, or the governments. Or Maybe we should setup a big camp where all the poor people can live and be fed what we want them to eat and get the only the medicine we decide they should have, and force them to work all the jobs we don't want to do ourselves...

Or we could just forget how they all got there to begin with, and put the blame on them.

Poor people do not choose to be poor. They do not choose to grow up in the environments they grew up in. They do not choose to get sick from eating the trash they've been taught to eat. I don't believe for one second that someone who can't understand that has ever been poor.

This may come as a shock to some people on this forum, but there are actually poor people who make good choices in life. And some of them may want to go cruising one day...That is exactly what this thread is for (IMO). It's not meant for people with retirement funds or real estate incomes that want to learn how to save a few more pennies so they can keep their boat nice and shiney and extend their vacation a little longer.
(and yes I know this thread is for anybody, I'm just making a point)

I'm sure there's a forum out there to vent your feelings on this subject. If you want I will google it and get one for you. Can we get back to saving money while on the hook in a tropical paradise? Please!
How many of you have recipes using things foraged from the islands you visited? What have you foraged? I was watching Anthony Bordain and he was in Samoa foraging crab in the lower palms and he loved them.
Anyone done this one?
Fish cooked in Coconut milk or something like it.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse74

If you are cruising on 500 a month that is great. If you are cruising on 500 a month and taking food stamps, medicare, and free cell phones, what you are doing is having the American tax payers supplement your lifestyle. It is time to go get a JOB!!!

Those things are provided as a safety net not a damn hammock. It is a large part of what is wrong with this country today.

Brad

Brad...thank you for saying that. No matter what entitlement people are getting, it is either directly or indirectly out of our pockets. While I have no problem helping the needy, I am opposed to folks on a boat milking the system. I'm sure I'll hear static for this.
In 2008 I experienced my 2nd MCI with no insurance but a home owner and scraping by as a Machinist. The bill was $70,000. And yes...I'm still paying it. I'm down to my last few thousand now. I'm in Thailand this week and I love coming here to see these 3rd world people making it without Gov. assistance. I have far more respect for them.
If Karma is true and I believe it is, then I'm in for a hell of a good time when I set off on my voyage. Thanx again

[callmecrazy]

Originally Posted by w1651

I'm sure there's a forum out there to vent your feelings on this subject. If you want I will google it and get one for you. Can we get back to saving money while on the hook in a tropical paradise? Please!
How many of you have recipes using things foraged from the islands you visited? What have you foraged? I was watching Anthony Bordain and he was in Samoa foraging crab in the lower palms and he loved them.
Anyone done this one?
Fish cooked in Coconut milk or something like it.

You can eat any and all living creatures from the sea, raw.

Of course, I could make some snide remark about googling that for you, but that would just be obtuse.

Originally Posted by Ironhorse74

If you are cruising on 500 a month that is great. If you are cruising on 500 a month and taking food stamps, medicare, and free cell phones, what you are doing is having the American tax payers supplement your lifestyle. It is time to go get a JOB!!!

Those things are provided as a safety net not a damn hammock. It is a large part of what is wrong with this country today.

Brad

Not trying to argue here, I've had my rant, and everyone's entitled to their opinion But, how does living on a boat equate to a more privileged lifestyle than one on land?

Boats require hard work, reduction of excesses, personal responsibility... and provide lower living expenses than an apartment or a home, and increase a persons ability learn self sufficiency and live a goal oriented life.

I'm not condoning people that take advantage of the system. But, I don't believe a person should be forced to live, or not live, within a specific lifestyle just because they require financial assistance. If they require financial assistance, they're going to need it no matter where they live.

[Jacknast]

After reading this, thought I'd never finish.

I want to thank goprisko for this thread. Very informative. I appreciate your knowledge and time putting this together.

[w1651]

You can eat any and all living creatures from the sea, raw.

Of course, I could make some snide remark about googling that for you, but that would just be obtuse.

Obtuse- Riiiiight!

Just trying to keep the Mods at bay here. That's all.
I like this thread even though some may not and even argue the points and counter points provided by it's readers.
But the fact remains it serves a purpose that I feel (even if some may not) is important to cruising.
Where it is going though is a slippery slope that could get it shut down.

[Blue Crab]

Come on Jack, you''re not finished yet. You can unsubscribe but just when you think it's safe ....

I don't see anything wrong with low budget cruisers getting some of the social largess available to others.

I have to wonder who was smoking what when the feds decided Food Stamps could buy Doritos and Coke. Lots of prepared food is now ok as well. Toilet paper no, Alaskan king crab yes.

Cruisers buying rice and beans with Food Stamps is ok with me. Qualify for Medicaid and get your bum shoulder fixed. Why not?

I hope all "entitlement" dispensing agencies copy FL and require drug testing. There's a federal program I'm happy to pay for.

[s/v Beth]

Originally Posted by callmecrazy

You can eat any and all living creatures from the sea, raw.

I might comment just so people know this is an oversimplification. Please learn what you can eat, even the season of certain animals in which you can eat them. Almost everything in the ocean can be toxic if exposed to bacteria, algae etc that may not be apparent when you hoist it out of the water. Crazy is indeed what you might be if you ingest too much mercury or fish exposed to a red tide...

Perhaps discussing the pitfalls of living off the ocean might be a better use of this thread than the relative merits of socialized welfare and medicine.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by s/v Beth

I might comment just so people know this is an oversimplification. Please learn what you can eat, even the season of certain animals in which you can eat them. Almost everything in the ocean can be toxic if exposed to bacteria, algae etc that may not be apparent when you hoist it out of the water. Crazy is indeed what you might be if you ingest too much mercury or fish exposed to a red tide...

Perhaps discussing the pitfalls of living off the ocean might be a better use of this thread than the relative merits of socialized welfare and medicine.

Yeah, one wouldn't want to talk about places like Canada which spend 7% of GDP less on healthcare, with better outcomes and where people live longer. BTW, rumors about wait times for critical care specialists... bunk. I'm living proof. Specialists are there when you need them. Now, if you have bum knees, then you will have to wait, but going on a diet might help too.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Not specifically aimed at anyone quoted......

Originally Posted by s/v Beth

Perhaps discussing the pitfalls of living off the ocean might be a better use of this thread than the relative merits of socialized civilized welfare and medicine.

I appreciate that chipping in to this subject does risk bringing down the wrath of the Mods . But......some things are simply too important to leave unchallenged, lest anyone be allowed to get away with thinking they be normal. Whether that be Woo peddling, Apartheid or nailing coons to burning crosses - some things just ain't civilised.

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Brad...thank you for saying that. No matter what entitlement people are getting, it is either directly or indirectly out of our pockets. While I have no problem helping the needy, I am opposed to folks on a boat milking the system. I'm sure I'll hear static for this.

In 2008 I experienced my 2nd MCI with no insurance but a home owner and scraping by as a Machinist. The bill was $70,000. And yes...I'm still paying it. I'm down to my last few thousand now.

I have been taking my "share" out of the local (NHS style) health system quite majorly over the last 6 months or so. Has cost me nadda (apart from the initial visit to my GP - approx £25), including for a bagful of meds. I have no idea how much it would have (and will) cost me, probably in the $100's of k. I probably could have afforded to pay myself - but I, and my forebears, already have.

But even before I started to draw on the healthcare system I had zero problem with the concept (even though I wasn't planning to need it myself - who ever does?!) and considered it not only a good thing for my society as a whole but also simply as a fundamental mark of civilisation.......And please don't mistake me for a woolly hearted socialist . Over here, culturarly, we tend towards the more freemarket end of the spectrum. Some of us more than others - personally I would have no problem with putting my grandmother on E-bay, and if I could get away with it - "yours" as well (buy one, get one free ). Hell, many moons ago I even came up with a scheme to get the value of Romanian Orphans listed on the London Stock Exchange - but I was ahead of my time on the concept so the Bank did not bite (that Bank since gone broke ).

In regards to "helping the needy", I have no problem with the fact that some people will milk the system - it's simply a fact of life, it's part of the price of being and staying civilised - like "socialised" roads, armies and da PoPo . But most people want a legup (and a backstop) and not a lifetime of being dependent on others / charity / the state. And IMO it also makes good business sense, if done well (over here our approach is different from the UK, not perfect - but a work in progress)......not to say that making your un-profitable members of society get dead early does not have a financial benefit, but that is not an approach that is sustainable long term. and certainly it is not civilised.

I'm in Thailand this week and I love coming here to see these 3rd world people making it without Gov. assistance. I have far more respect for them.

If Karma is true and I believe it is, then I'm in for a hell of a good time when I set off on my voyage. Thanx again

On this one I have struggled to keep my response polite - for the masses Thailand has a really sh#tty healthcare system, even though it has improved a million percent over the last 10 / 15 years. and the State assistance for the poor is next to SFA. or SFA. and folk do die from that combination - it's even worse than the USA -mostly not from easily identified reasons - they just wear out early. Thailand is not a place to be poor......no matter how much "respect" it gathers from visitors.

Not really meant to be argumentative - just that (from past experiances) it is very common for so many visitors in Thailand to not be able to see past the veneer. Kinda like buying boats I guess.......

[JayCall]

Wow-this hasturned into an interesting thread!

I would second DOJ's positiion that there are always those who "milk" the system, whatever the system may be. It is the price of having the system at all.

I am a tax attorney and have worked for more years than I care to remember with "high net worth" individuals. Believe me, there is far more milking of the system, and for far greater $$ amounts, than anything the less fortunate could imagine. The list of items that can be used to milk the system is far to long to list here, but virtually every person with a substantial income and substantial assets pays people like me to help them milk it.

At the very large corporate level, you simply financially support polotician and hire lobbyists to have the appropriate law tailored to your needs.

IMO-unless you are willing to stop all system milking, including any that affects you, don't complain about the poor doing it.

[w1651]

Originally Posted by JayCall

Wow-this hasturned into an interesting thread!

I would second DOJ's positiion that there are always those who "milk" the system, whatever the system may be. It is the price of having the system at all.

I am a tax attorney and have worked for more years than I care to remember with "high net worth" individuals. Believe me, there is far more milking of the system, and for far greater $$ amounts, than anything the less fortunate could imagine. The list of items that can be used to milk the system is far to long to list here, but virtually every person with a substantial income and substantial assets pays people like me to help them milk it.

At the very large corporate level, you simply financially support polotician and hire lobbyists to have the appropriate law tailored to your needs.

IMO-unless you are willing to stop all system milking, including any that affects you, don't complain about the poor doing it.

That's why I'm a real Capitalist and not a part timer like many on this thread. Corporate welfare is far worse then what we think of when talking about the welfare state. Though the less fortunate are taking a pretty good chunk.
Corporate loop holes, bailouts, and subsidies have been a big problem for a long time and it ALL needs to stop.
Everyone should be paid their value but THEY have to figure out what their value is. Too many people refuse to keep learning and making themselves better people which in turn makes them more valuable to society and able to charge more in return.
I'm in business trying everyday to eek out some sort of living, taking leadership classes and promoting my business by way of customer service, quality of product and I could go on the dole but choose not to.
I am captain of my own ship master of my own destiny. I don't pay for anything if I can't afford it and I don't take anything that isn't mine. And it Pi$$e$ me off and a lot of other Americans that able bodied people including corporations are taking advantage of a system meant to help and not support a person in need. Not a company a person.
Instead of giving you a safety net we should just leave you alone and let you all die in a pool of excrament and urine because your to lazy or stupid to get to a toilet and relieve yourself. Oh! Wait! Forget I mentioned it The government won't be there to wipe your sorry A$$e$ !
Now that's a rant

[Ex-Calif]

Originally Posted by hpeer

I would love to engage you on this topic but I fear we would drift into dangerous waters and get the thread in moderator trouble.

Not all of those toiling for the greater good are achieving their goal.

Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing at all.

Or go sailing!! Which is, after all, very worthwhile even if the only soul you heal is your own.

I agree. On the internet its best to know someone's stance on a subject. Rarely does debate change anyone's opinion.

[wolfenzee]

I worked all my life and paid into my social security all my life, after wrapping a car around a tree (due to a patch of black ice) I screwed up my brain enough so I am unable to work, I am collecting a modest amount based on how much I paid in. It would not be as modest and would not have taken as long (three years and a lawyer) to get had it not been for all the people that are trying to cheat the system. Back benifits (after lawer fees ) paid for the boat and $1000/month is not enough to live comfortably while land based but will make a comfortable cruising budget.
This thread will help me to live a comfortable lifestyle as well as to provide someone the opportunity to share it.

[Ex-Calif]

Originally Posted by s/v Beth

I might comment just so people know this is an oversimplification. Please learn what you can eat, even the season of certain animals in which you can eat them. Almost everything in the ocean can be toxic if exposed to bacteria, algae etc that may not be apparent when you hoist it out of the water. Crazy is indeed what you might be if you ingest too much mercury or fish exposed to a red tide...

Perhaps discussing the pitfalls of living off the ocean might be a better use of this thread than the relative merits of socialized welfare and medicine.

Proceed at your own risk...

I took a survival course in identifying what one can eat the general plan was

- open what ever it is to its fluids
- rub the fluid on a sensitive part of the body - inside forearm or bicep or underarm
- if no rash, irritation or ill effect taste it but dont swallow
- if no ill effects eat a small amount
- if no ill effects eat a larger amount etc...

You need to give time between steps, 24 hours was recommended but if you are starving you might have to shortedn the timeline.

Be careful...