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Old 20-03-2017, 11:24   #16
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Everyone is saying just about the same thing as you (not singling you out).

I am a student, I also work 35 hours/week, pay rent etc... I'm not looking for people to pay my way, just to reduce the burden on me.

No need for belittlement
You're thinking about what you need, rather than what you can offer.

What is it that the folks who would consider financing you would be getting for their money?

There's a recent YouTube video identifying the sailing channels that were earning the most money:



The top two or three are making a decent living. Even the 10th ranking is bringing in enough to be a helpful supplement. But all of them offer something meaningful to their patrons.

What do you have to offer to your patrons, to make it worth their while to send you money?
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So if I get me a speedo and post videos on youtube I too can be rich and famous?
we might pay you on the threat of posting a speedo pic....that may be considered blackmail!
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They produce and sail, and while agree most of what I see them getting is "charity" they got in early and capitalized on social media fame, converted that to sponsors etc. I think they sell a few things as well, and she isn't bad to look at.
another example of millennial slackers... but they are hustlers too.
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Old 20-03-2017, 11:29   #19
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When I was a student, I got my money together to buy a Mirror dinghy kit for $419. Built the boat and had lots of fun. The big time sailing adventures (five years around the world) came after I had worked for 30+ years and become financially solid.

I think you are getting the same advice from everyone, must be a reason.
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Jdege, great post/link. This guy did the work. Kinda like the plan to be a NFL player or a Rap star.... there are alot more tryers than doers.
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Hey it is apparently working for La vagabonde ?
Exactly. They are providing a service to their fans and supporters that people are willing to pay for. And now they are a floating advertisement for that catamaran company. Good for them . If I looked good in a speedo I might do it too (and unlike Skip who I assume looks fabulous, you really don’t want to see me in a speedo ).

This kind of patronage has existed since the beginning of civilization. The only real difference these days is that the only viable source of patronage or support used to be exclusively from rich individuals or larger business/corporations. Now, with Net-based crowd sourcing tools, poor folk can effectively sponsor people as well.

But there are no free lunches in this world; give something, get something. scotiansailor, what can you offer?
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Everyone is saying just about the same thing as you (not singling you out).

I am a student, I also work 35 hours/week, pay rent etc... I'm not looking for people to pay my way, just to reduce the burden on me.

No need for belittlement

Ah paying rent. Might I suggest finding a cheap 25-30 foot sailboat for a few thousand, live on that and dump the rent. There are actually free boats out there if you look hard enough. Though really there is no such thing as a "free" boat.. Live on the boat, fixing it in exotic locations. That is sailing. Getting use to that boat smell that permeates all the clothing and you get use to but future girl/boy friends might find a bit too musky. It is a life of glamor.

Myself I live on $600 a month, self funded. So living small on a boat is possible. After working 30+ year in cubeland, I can say categorically, that working from a sailboat at anchor making $600 a month is a million times nicer then working anywhere on land.
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Patreon is by far the most common. The most popular sailing Vlogs on You Tube all have ties to a Patreon account. However, it is a bit more than a 'hand-out'. They are constantly shooting content and they spend huge amounts of time editing and producing content to be hosted on You Tube. To get 15 minutes of usable video once per week means you will be almost constantly filming.

That is what those folks are offering. Video content (i.e. Entertainment). Get a large following and enough people willing to donate a few dollars per video and it starts adding up.

Nobody is going to donate for nothing. You're going to need to give people something in return.
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Patreon is by far the most common. The most popular sailing Vlogs on You Tube all have ties to a Patreon account. However, it is a bit more than a 'hand-out'. They are constantly shooting content and they spend huge amounts of time editing and producing content to be hosted on You Tube. To get 15 minutes of usable video once per week means you will be almost constantly filming.

That is what those folks are offering. Video content (i.e. Entertainment). Get a large following and enough people willing to donate a few dollars per video and it starts adding up.

Nobody is going to donate for nothing. You're going to need to give people something in return.
Having watched several of the cruisers vlogs.... it's no longer interesting for the most part... and the music is awful usually...
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I pay Delos for the videos that they produce. Sure, they are having fun without me but they are also doing a great job videoing and editing their adventures and making them available, free of charge, with the option to pay. It is entertainment for me. I've looked into many other sailing channels but none of them have been of a calibre worth paying for, personally. Crowdfunding is a great way to go although I'm guessing it is a tough gig, and getting more competitive everyday. Most people here have made some great comments about good crowdfunding being a cash for product relationship, and I agree. Trying to source money with no return for the donors is more like begging, but if your dreams are bigger than your pride than go for it and good luck! As for Delos, I don't want them to stop making videos and I'll continue to support that.
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Getting use to that boat smell that permeates all the clothing and you get use to but future girl/boy friends might find a bit too musky. It is a life of glamor.

Haha sailorchic....In the winter in my case it's the smell of diesel that permeates all my clothes, and I have cleaned the bilge several times this winter already to no avail. sigh.

When it warms up enough to open the boat up and keep it open, then it'll be nice
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I can't believe it....it takes a lot of work to get sponsors or crowd funding .... they work very hard at.... and they send a message that people want, so people purchase... also don't kid your self the very successful ones like Delos and vagabond have done there share of some philanthropy work....you never read or hear about this, but it all comes out when it's over ....then everyone says how great these people where....

Carry on and try it... if you have something the public wants to pay for go for it... your not panhandling .... your an entreprenor
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I guess it's less degrading than standing on the corner with a tin cup in your hand.
Only slightly....
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Everyone is saying just about the same thing as you (not singling you out).

I am a student, I also work 35 hours/week, pay rent etc... I'm not looking for people to pay my way, just to reduce the burden on me.

No need for belittlement
I understand you didn't single me out but I did join the chorus so don't mind being the one quoted.

First, I think (or hope) no one here is trying to belittle you but maybe trying inject a bit of harsh reality. Regardless of how you word it, you are asking for charity, for others to give you money to "reduce the burden" to enable you to have a more fun lifestyle and offering them nothing in return.

With very few exceptions, all of us here had to work hard and save our money to enable us to buy a boat and sail. I also went to school AND worked full time (occasionally at two jobs) AND raised a family. Then worked for 25 years, sometimes 60-80 hours a week to pay off my student loans, put a daughter through college and med school and finally buy a boat.

The rest of us did all this without asking for a handout so perhaps you can understand the lack of interest in giving you money to do it the easy way.

Sure it would be great to take a shortcut and have someone else help pay for it but for 99.99% of the world it comes down to putting in the time and earning our way.

And if you plan to ask for handouts you should be prepared for a not always polite rejection from your audience, another harsh reality you're going to encounter.
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Ah paying rent. Might I suggest finding a cheap 25-30 foot sailboat for a few thousand, live on that and dump the rent. There are actually free boats out there if you look hard enough. Though really there is no such thing as a "free" boat.. Live on the boat, fixing it in exotic locations. That is sailing. Getting use to that boat smell that permeates all the clothing and you get use to but future girl/boy friends might find a bit too musky. It is a life of glamor.

Myself I live on $600 a month, self funded. So living small on a boat is possible. After working 30+ year in cubeland, I can say categorically, that working from a sailboat at anchor making $600 a month is a million times nicer then working anywhere on land.
Excellent advise. An updated and I think more realistic version of go small, go now.

And I agree with the last line. My version (and of course we all know I didn't write it first myself), a bad day on the water is better than a good day at the office.
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