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Old 19-02-2022, 09:44   #16
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Surprised they weren't able to get a fire suppression system going. Perhaps Panama doesn't require them on board.
I think the car carrier crew was motivated to quit fighting the fire and abandon ship by the similar incident in 2018 where 5 crew members died.

Another fire broke out on a ferry in the Adriatic yesterday. Cause still announced, but likely a vehicle.
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Old 19-02-2022, 10:55   #17
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To bad you quote knowledge by ignorance and without reading the final investigation. Perfect example of why social media is so persuasive yet incorrect.
BTW--- Im quoting news reports of the Pilots interviews 2 days after the wrecking. Then it appeared a cabal of other pilots were backing him up . It was CYA by group interest. Seems his 'story kept changing. Actually it was common local knowledge of running these huge ships at high speed thru these shallow confining waters was dangerous in many ways. It proved to be . I now understand there are new much more USCG restrictions on this practice.
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Old 19-02-2022, 12:43   #18
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Some actual info here
https://www.maritimebulletin.net/202...oned-atlantic/

When I was down at the shops yesterday I heard that she hadn't been flying her ensign at the time.
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To bad you quote knowledge by ignorance and without reading the final investigation. Perfect example of why social media is so persuasive yet incorrect.
Social Media has never been persuasive to me.
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That car carrier disaster in Brunswick Georgia also claimed it went aground and wrecked due to a fire amongst the cars aboard.. There are no "standards and yes fire risk will skyrocket the more EV s are shipped.
The National Transportation Safety Board released 1,700 pages of transcripts, from its investigation of the “Golden Ray” wreck [near Brunswick, Ga.].
https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=100209

In brief [MY summary]:
The Coast Guard told investigators that models show that instability, from its load of cars, on one side of the ship’s center of gravity, was far too high, leaving the ship without the stability needed to keep itself upright in a turn. According to a Stability Analysis, by the Coast Guard, the ship’s stability did not meet the minimum international requirements for ships at sea. The Golden Ray had its pilot door open as it left Jacksonville before sailing to Brunswick. The Coast Guard’s report suggests this allowed water to flood the ship as it tipped to the side in St. Simons Sound.

How the Golden Ray's Final Voyage Went Wrong in a Hurry

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-final-voyage/
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Thank you Gord.
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The National Transportation Safety Board released 1,700 pages of transcripts, from its investigation of the “Golden Ray” wreck [near Brunswick, Ga.].
https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=100209

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The Coast Guard told investigators that models show that instability, from its load of cars, on one side of the ship’s center of gravity, was far too high, leaving the ship without the stability needed to keep itself upright in a turn. According to a Stability Analysis, by the Coast Guard, the ship’s stability did not meet the minimum international requirements for ships at sea. The Golden Ray had its pilot door open as it left Jacksonville before sailing to Brunswick. The Coast Guard’s report suggests this allowed water to flood the ship as it tipped to the side in St. Simons Sound.

How the Golden Ray's Final Voyage Went Wrong in a Hurry

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-final-voyage/
So the ships pilot door was open for several days as it sailed in and out of Brunswick unloading and loading and the door opening was underwater flooding the ship and no one noticed -no alarms or pumps went on and the ship sped to to 20+mph ditto it was listing -Were the crew and pilots totally buzzed out? Dont pilots doors have alarms and indicators on them? Most those I have seen have ladders to reach the door opening from the pilot boats and are well above the ships waterline. More BS excuses invented.
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Initial news reports said the reason the Golden Ray tipped over was that it was going very fast around a curve -hit the outside side of the dredged channel and flipped-landing on the undredged shallow area-leaving the dredged clannel clear. In fact little additional dredging was needed to maintain Brunswick shipping normal activities and to bring the massive salvage floating equipment in and out using this shipping channel.
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So the ships pilot door was open for several days as it sailed in and out of Brunswick unloading and loading and the door opening was underwater flooding the ship and no one noticed -no alarms or pumps went on and the ship sped to to 20+mph ditto it was listing -Were the crew and pilots totally buzzed out? Dont pilots doors have alarms and indicators on them? Most those I have seen have ladders to reach the door opening from the pilot boats and are well above the ships waterline. More BS excuses invented.
The pilot door was opened shortly before the incident which occured shortly before she would have dropped her pilot. Its SOP.
You can see her position on Google Earth - she was almost out of the river.
If you read the final report - rather than an initial report from Billy Buttfuddle who was fishing nearby at the time - you will see the reason for the accident. Yes it was made worse by the pilot door being open.
From the NTSB report linked by Gord above.-

3.1 Findings
1. None of the following safety issues were identified for the accident transit: (1) weather; (2) a transfer of ballast or fuel; (3) the propulsion and steering systems; (4) the shifting of cargo within the vessel; (5) obstructions in the channel that could have caused the vessel to ground; or (6) the cargo hold fire.
2. The Golden Ray capsized because it did not possess enough righting energy to counter the port heeling moment created during the attempted execution of the 68° starboard turn at widener 11.
3. At departure from the Colonel’s Island Terminal, the Golden Ray did not meet international stability standards and possessed less stability than the chief officer calculated.
4. The chief officer made errors with the ballast tank level data entry into the shipboard stability calculation computer (LOADCOM), which led to his incorrect determination of the vessel’s stability.
5. The operator did not have a method in place to ensure that the chief officer was proficient in using the shipboard stability calculation computer (LOADCOM) to perform his duty of calculating the ship’s stability.
6. The operator’s lack of oversight and procedures for auditing and verifying the accuracy of their officers’ vessel stability calculations before departure contributed to the Golden Ray not meeting international stability standards.
7. After the Golden Ray heeled, open watertight doors on deck 5 allowed flooding into the vessel and blocked the primary egress from the engine room.
3.2 Probable Cause
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the capsizing of the Golden Ray was the chief officer’s error entering ballast quantities into the stability calculation program, which led to his incorrect determination of the vessel’s stability and resulted in the Golden Ray having an insufficient righting arm to counteract the forces developed during a turn while transiting outbound from the Port of Brunswick through St. Simons Sound. Contributing to the accident was G-Marine Service Co. Ltd.’s lack of effective procedures in their safety management system for verifying stability calculations.'
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And also - all you need to know is in the first 57 pages of the report - this bit.
MAR 21/03 GOLDEN RAY MARINE ACCIDENT REPORT

By the way us sailors use the term 'knots' not 'MPH' . She was doing about 12 knots which is normal for that pilotage - in fact normal for most pilotages.
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And also - all you need to know is in the first 57 pages of the report - this bit.
MAR 21/03 GOLDEN RAY MARINE ACCIDENT REPORT

By the way us sailors use the term 'knots' not 'MPH' . She was doing about 12 knots which is normal for that pilotage - in fact normal for most pilotages.
Ping, thank you for your industry knowledge and experience. And Knots to you.
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... More BS excuses invented.
Tell it to the NTSB.
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Of course what is not mentioned in the report is that the C/O had probably had bugger all sleep in the previous week - keeping the 4 to 8 plus being on duty throughout any port calls including arrivals and departures.
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Re: Cargo Ship on Fire

A spokesperson for MOL Ship Management (Singapore) Pte. Ltd., which owns the company operating the car carrier "Felicity Ace", told the Wall Street Journal [Saturday] that the 650-foot ship is still burning, but hasn't leaked any oil, and remains stable, with regards to concerns it could sink.

MOL told The Journal it expects the first of the vessels, carrying firefighting equipment to the "Felicity Ace", to arrive Sunday, from Gibraltar. A second firefighting boat will come Monday, and a salvage ship, from Rotterdam, Netherlands, is expected to arrive on Wednesday, or Thursday.
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Of course what is not mentioned in the report is that the C/O had probably had bugger all sleep in the previous week - keeping the 4 to 8 plus being on duty throughout any port calls including arrivals and departures.
That routine buzzed him. Could it be that if ship had slowed down enough to make that hard turn it would not have hit the edge of the channel and not flipped.?? After all the CO and the pilot knew it was "listing"
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