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Old 15-07-2020, 07:34   #1
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Buying ex-charter with full refit

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Looking at an ex-charter boat that has had a full refit. Hull repaint, new rig, mast, engine. Keel has been removed and new keel bolts fitted.
With the repaint and keel work, just wondering what problems if any could be covered up.
Should a survey highlight any issues, or should I be wary?
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Must have been beat to h*ll to need all those new components. I'd be very concerned.
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Old 15-07-2020, 15:16   #3
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Must have been beat to h*ll to need all those new components. I'd be very concerned.
I agree. That much re work is a red flag to me. Most boats in charter are there for only a short time. That much repair would seem extreme.
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What year was boat built, how long in charter and what location?
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Old 15-07-2020, 17:56   #5
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Hurricane boat?
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Old 15-07-2020, 17:57   #6
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Sounds like storm damage
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Old 16-07-2020, 09:33   #7
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Who did the refit, who checked keel fixing.
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Old 16-07-2020, 12:28   #8
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Hi
Looking at an ex-charter boat that has had a full refit. Hull repaint, new rig, mast, engine. Keel has been removed and new keel bolts fitted.
With the repaint and keel work, just wondering what problems if any could be covered up.
Should a survey highlight any issues, or should I be wary?
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If the charter company did the refit, I'd run - they're notorious for cutting corners and slapping lipstick on the pig.
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Old 16-07-2020, 12:35   #9
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Hurricane boat?
That.

I don’t see how you could do that much work, ask a remotely reasonable price and not be way upside down.
No issue with properly repaired damage or wear, but I’m not sure how it could have be done right without the boat ether being very expensive or them selling it at a decent loss. I’d be worried about it all being rather half arse work.

Is there a way to check with a insurance database on if the boat was totaled?

I’d want a VERY in-depth survey, scan of the logs, maybe find a historic track of the AIS, and I’d be asking for much more of the story behind the who and why of that refit.
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Gazzza, you need more information before committing to a survey. Obviously the price is good or you wouldn’t be wasting your time. Was it a cyclone damaged boat that went ashore and survived? Who did the repairs? Was the boat holed ? What tell tales can you see in the engine bay? Maybe the rig got snapped or entangled with other rigging in a marina with a blow.

Once you get more data then a survey maybe in order. When there is some real interest it might be worth your money to get a survey that is more specific. Electrical and engine survey in addition to general survey. Make sure you get a surveyor who is independent of the broker/ yard. A surveyor who knows this type of boat. I wouldn’t run away until I knew it was time to run. Maybe her bones are good and they actually did do a decent job. But then again ... maybe they didn’t.
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With a "new rig" and "keel reattachment" my bet is the boat was totaled in a hurricane or something.
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2nd the hurricane damage suspicion. There are still a lot of boats that where not completely totaled but needed a lot of repair to get them back in service. The charter companies in general fixed them in the order of least damaged to most damaged. Given the list of repairs this boat is in the most damaged category. You can ask your insurance company for the name of a surveyor for this type of boat as they'll be motivated to make sure the boat is repaired properly also. You can also ask if the boat is in service in the charter fleet and when it went back into service? If you get really serious ask for access to do a self inspection and a test sail or to rent the boat.
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Its a 2006 boat in the Whitsundays Queensland Australia
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Old 16-07-2020, 15:35   #14
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The boat really isnt "cheap" but the way I was thinking was that you get a boat with almost "new" everything. I think on thoughts here I'll leave it.
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I donít see anything wrong with buying a boat after a full refit. The key is a comprehensive marine survey and sea trials. If everything looks good and the price is right, but it.
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