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30-04-2022, 17:12
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: CARRABELLE, FL USA
Boat: Hunter Passage CC 42
Posts: 86
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Broker or go it alone?
I'm eager for some advice regarding boat brokers and hope this is the right section in which to ask...
I am in the Boston, MA (US) area and am in the market for either a cat or monohull sailboat, year 2000 +. For the monohull, I have some specific criteria for live-aboard. For example, Class A, 35-40ft, LOA-LWL <5ft, swim platform, single large berth, large freezer and refrigeration, water maker, clothes washer, hot water, and solar power. In other words, I do not want to enter into a life of permanent camping. Need some comforts and convenience whilst simplifying life and cruising (the two may be exclusive, I know!).
New to market. Sent a broker an inquiry about a vessel that seemed to fit the bill and never heard back. So phoned and got excuses. Broker suggested meeting to discuss, but never got back in touch. The lack of eagerness suggests they have too much business, or are inept (maybe both).
Do folks have to chase down and nag brokers to get assistance?
Perhaps it's better to approach owners directly. How might I find them?
Eager for any suggestions and guidance.
/mark
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30-04-2022, 17:15
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: San Diego
Boat: 1979 CHB 41 Trawler
Posts: 106
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
All of the boats on Yachtworld are through brokers - the point of a broker from the sell-side is to save the seller from the hassle of people contacting them directly about their boat.
You can find FSBO via Craigslist or sailboatlistings.com among other options.
From the title of the post it sounded like you were going to ask whether to hire a buyer's broker, but it doesn't seem like that's the case?
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30-04-2022, 17:53
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: CARRABELLE, FL USA
Boat: Hunter Passage CC 42
Posts: 86
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
I had not considered a buyer's broker. Maybe it's a good idea! How might I find one?
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30-04-2022, 20:32
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#4
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,525
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
Hopefully you won’t take this the wrong way, but most brokers would consider you a “tire kicker”. Being a broker is a tough business. You’ll starve if you spend too much of your day answering questions from folks like you who are just starting their buying process.
First - ditch the list. It’s way to specific and will change a lot the moment you start getting on boats. I don’t know any 35ft boat with a single berth. And I can think of 50 things more important than LOA-LWL.
Instead find three models of boats that you think you like. Look on Yachtworld, go to boat shows and talk to people at the local marina. Boat owners love to talk about their boat - especially if you bring some beers. Listen carefully to what they like and don’t like - don’t focus on what you think you want now.. Most people end up buying a boat that is very different than their first plan.
Then find a few boats on Yachtworld that is one of your three choices and call the broker (don’t email). Leave a message that you are interested in buying a EastWind-36 in the next 90 days and are interested in the one he’s listed. You’d like to come see it. Could he call to set up a time? When he calls, don’t ask a lot of questions. He can only tell you what’s in the Yachtworld ad listing anyways. Instead, convince him that you are a serious buyer that he better take seriously or you’ll end up buying the other EastWind-36 that’s on Yachtworld. Tell him you have the money to buy it.
You don’t have to look for a buyer’s broker. They will find you once word gets around that you are looking at boats. Or ask the boat owners you talk to for names.
Good luck.
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30-04-2022, 21:44
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#5
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: Tayana Vancouver 42ac
Posts: 1,196
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
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Originally Posted by K1MGY
I'm eager for some advice regarding boat brokers and hope this is the right section in which to ask...
I am in the Boston, MA (US) area and am in the market for either a cat or monohull sailboat, year 2000 +. For the monohull, I have some specific criteria for live-aboard. For example, Class A, 35-40ft, LOA-LWL <5ft, swim platform, single large berth, large freezer and refrigeration, water maker, clothes washer, hot water, and solar power. In other words, I do not want to enter into a life of permanent camping. Need some comforts and convenience whilst simplifying life and cruising (the two may be exclusive, I know!).
New to market. Sent a broker an inquiry about a vessel that seemed to fit the bill and never heard back. So phoned and got excuses. Broker suggested meeting to discuss, but never got back in touch. The lack of eagerness suggests they have too much business, or are inept (maybe both).
Do folks have to chase down and nag brokers to get assistance?
Perhaps it's better to approach owners directly. How might I find them?
Eager for any suggestions and guidance./mark
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The process is YOU locate a boat your interested in and contact the broker or owner. Brokers work for the seller except for a buyers broker...forget about the latter.
Start visiting the marinas and see as many boats as you can until your sick of it...and then look at some more. The process will educate you and eventually lead to a boat you'll be happy with if you are willing to accept the tradeoffs...all boats have them. There are no shortcuts.
NOTE: If your trying to live aboard to save housing costs your on the wrong track.
~ ~ _/) ~ ~ MJH
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30-04-2022, 21:59
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 486
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
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Originally Posted by CarlF
Then find a few boats on Yachtworld that is one of your three choices and call the broker (don’t email). Leave a message that you are interested in buying a EastWind-36 in the next 90 days and are interested in the one he’s listed. You’d like to come see it. Could he call to set up a time? When he calls, don’t ask a lot of questions. He can only tell you what’s in the Yachtworld ad listing anyways. Instead, convince him that you are a serious buyer that he better take seriously or you’ll end up buying the other EastWind-36 that’s on Yachtworld. Tell him you have the money to buy it.
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Carl has nailed it. Most brokers have dozens of boats listed and most likely haven't even seen the vessel your interested in. A broker is not your friend and cares not about you, do not rely on them for any accurate information, go and look and pay an independent surveyor.
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30-04-2022, 23:02
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Kemah Tx
Boat: Gulfstar 51
Posts: 615
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
My experience with a buyers broker was excellent. I met with one provided proof that i was serious and gave him some criteria I wanted. He suggested a few boat that I might be interested in. We went I looked the chartered a boat for a week of the same model. After the charter I decided we wanted to go bigger. He suggested two larger boats. We looked at two that were available locally but neither were up to snuff. I told him I wanted a good boat and gave him three models and that I would be ready if he found one of the three. 2 months later he had found a boat in Fla (we are in Texas) while doing business for another client. He went 3 hours out of his way to go look to make sure it was worth my time. It was and two weeks later wife and I flew out and bought boat. Buyers broker did a great job for me.
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01-05-2022, 01:57
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#8
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
CarlF is spot on. If you don’t do your homework don’t expect a broker to do it for you
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01-05-2022, 06:24
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada
Boat: C&C
Posts: 327
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
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Originally Posted by CarlF
Hopefully you won’t take this the wrong way, but most brokers would consider you a “tire kicker”. Being a broker is a tough business. You’ll starve if you spend too much of your day answering questions from folks like you who are just starting their buying process.
First - ditch the list. It’s way to specific and will change a lot the moment you start getting on boats. I don’t know any 35ft boat with a single berth. And I can think of 50 things more important than LOA-LWL.
Instead find three models of boats that you think you like. Look on Yachtworld, go to boat shows and talk to people at the local marina. Boat owners love to talk about their boat - especially if you bring some beers. Listen carefully to what they like and don’t like - don’t focus on what you think you want now.. Most people end up buying a boat that is very different than their first plan.
Then find a few boats on Yachtworld that is one of your three choices and call the broker (don’t email). Leave a message that you are interested in buying a EastWind-36 in the next 90 days and are interested in the one he’s listed. You’d like to come see it. Could he call to set up a time? When he calls, don’t ask a lot of questions. He can only tell you what’s in the Yachtworld ad listing anyways. Instead, convince him that you are a serious buyer that he better take seriously or you’ll end up buying the other EastWind-36 that’s on Yachtworld. Tell him you have the money to buy it.
You don’t have to look for a buyer’s broker. They will find you once word gets around that you are looking at boats. Or ask the boat owners you talk to for names.
Good luck.
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Totally agree with CarlF! He's bang on with his advice, take it and you'll find your dream boat.
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01-05-2022, 07:27
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#10
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Point Richmond, CA
Boat: Hunter 46
Posts: 777
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
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Originally Posted by K1MGY
...........Do folks have to chase down and nag brokers to get assistance? Perhaps it's better to approach owners directly. How might I find them?.............
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Never had that problem in purchasing power and sail boats. You are not likely going to find the owner unless you research them through the boat HIN, and even if you do, doubt the owner will want to take the time/effort to show you the boat since there is a lot involved with purchasing a boat besides looking at it AND the owner will still have to pay the broker their commission so the owner will want the broker to handle all that.
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01-05-2022, 07:46
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#11
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Southern California
Boat: Catalina 320
Posts: 1,308
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
In my harbor there is ONE sailboat listed on Yachtworld, There are SIX brokers who each have a SIX page list of eager buyers , Good Luck.
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01-05-2022, 08:47
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#12
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Greece
Boat: Beneteau Oceanis 393
Posts: 38
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlF
Hopefully you won’t take this the wrong way, but most brokers would consider you a “tire kicker”. Being a broker is a tough business. You’ll starve if you spend too much of your day answering questions from folks like you who are just starting their buying process.
First - ditch the list. It’s way to specific and will change a lot the moment you start getting on boats. I don’t know any 35ft boat with a single berth. And I can think of 50 things more important than LOA-LWL.
Instead find three models of boats that you think you like. Look on Yachtworld, go to boat shows and talk to people at the local marina. Boat owners love to talk about their boat - especially if you bring some beers. Listen carefully to what they like and don’t like - don’t focus on what you think you want now.. Most people end up buying a boat that is very different than their first plan.
Then find a few boats on Yachtworld that is one of your three choices and call the broker (don’t email). Leave a message that you are interested in buying a EastWind-36 in the next 90 days and are interested in the one he’s listed. You’d like to come see it. Could he call to set up a time? When he calls, don’t ask a lot of questions. He can only tell you what’s in the Yachtworld ad listing anyways. Instead, convince him that you are a serious buyer that he better take seriously or you’ll end up buying the other EastWind-36 that’s on Yachtworld. Tell him you have the money to buy it.
You don’t have to look for a buyer’s broker. They will find you once word gets around that you are looking at boats. Or ask the boat owners you talk to for names.
Good luck.
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Spot on
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01-05-2022, 08:52
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#13
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: Tayana Vancouver 42ac
Posts: 1,196
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
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Originally Posted by sail sfbay
Never had that problem in purchasing power and sail boats. You are not likely going to find the owner unless you research them through the boat HIN, and even if you do, doubt the owner will want to take the time/effort to show you the boat since there is a lot involved with purchasing a boat besides looking at it AND the owner will still have to pay the broker their commission so the owner will want the broker to handle all that.
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If you are truly serious about finding YOUR boat don't restrict your search to only broker listings. There are many boats listed on individual craigslist postings across the country as well as on eBay, and many other owner-listing web sites. And don't forget when your on the docks look for owner-posted FOR SALE signs on boats in the harbor or postings on bulletin boards around the marinas. However, buying a boat outside your local area can be problematic in terms of viewing it and getting it home.
Don't give up.
~ ~ _/) ~ ~ MJH
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02-05-2022, 01:44
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#14
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: USA
Boat: Island Packet 29
Posts: 304
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
Tire kickers ask questions, buyer set up appointments.
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02-05-2022, 05:10
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#15
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: LI, NY,USA
Boat: 2010 Jeanneau SO 44i
Posts: 752
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Re: Broker or go it alone?
Imho there will always be compromises when buying a sailboat, the well informed buyer knows the degree of compromise better prior to purchase.
What is your experience with sailing?
What is your price range?
Can you fix things/replace things?
You want to sail around the world?
Have you ever been off shore?
Sailboats are work
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