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30-06-2013, 11:53
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#241
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Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
I think the problem with some 'cruising designs' is not that they are 1/2 knot slower than some racing boat. 1/2 knot, and 2 1/2 knot, is still OK.
The problem with some 'cruising designs' is that they do not sail.
Get me a cruising boat and get me a strong diesel with a deep tank (both items will make the cruising mod even slower and less responsive...).
b.
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30-06-2013, 12:26
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#242
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
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30-06-2013, 12:46
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Location: southern illinois
Boat: pearson A35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Don L
What I'm saying is I'm glad you like you boat, I really am! And it doesn't matter that I wouldn't like like it, which is why I don't have one.
But yes, in my opinion you are sailing around in a "primative, little, tight, skinny boat". Maybe you got confused about boats being a "she"
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Yes! I likes me boats likes I likes me women; tight, skinny, wet and on their ears!
Thumb
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30-06-2013, 13:27
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#244
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Marine Service Provider
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Location: north carolina
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtunison
Yes! I likes me boats likes I likes me women; tight, skinny, wet and on their ears!
Thumb
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Oh Yea ,what about primative? I likes me some of the ones that you see in an old Nat Geo rag,the ones with a bone in the nose and their che ches around the waist..
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30-06-2013, 13:56
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#245
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Location: southern illinois
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The "they're all a compromise" proviso dictates that I hold at three out of five, conservatively.
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30-06-2013, 15:18
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#246
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
Boat: Bristol 27
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
All this catamaran talk .....................jeez. Takes me back.
This a Tornado. It's about 20' long and has a full batten main plus jib and spinnaker. Probably weighs around 400lbs. I wish I had a video of their start......looks like they are working hard to catch the boat to port and ahead. They have the better position so they should be okay. You can adjust mast rotation, downhaul, main sheet, jib sheet, and spinnaker sheet from the trapeze. (and of course weight distribution)
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30-06-2013, 16:10
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtunison
The "they're all a compromise" proviso dictates that I hold at three out of five, conservatively.
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Pardon me ,Those ladys at Nat Geo couldnt hold a candle to you..
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30-06-2013, 16:46
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtunison
The "they're all a compromise" proviso dictates that I hold at three out of five, conservatively.
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Two men in a boat, at least one of them very beautiful and smiling.
And just think there are people who think sailing is but boat maintenance, ...
;-)))))
All the best!
b.
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30-06-2013, 17:14
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Location: southern illinois
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This pic is an example of what could maybe not have been. Please allow me to clarify:
The comparison of my mate's and boats' similarities is the point. As to the "primative" requirement mentioned by tropicalescape, that would indicate expecting total fulfilment of desire, which we all(hopefully) realize is complete fallacy (at least on Earth).
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I git what I git and I don't throw a fit.
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30-06-2013, 17:45
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#250
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Marine Service Provider
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtunison
This pic is an example of what could maybe not have been. Please allow me to clarify:
The comparison of my mate's and boats' similarities is the point. As to the "primative" requirement mentioned by tropicalescape, that would indicate expecting total fulfilment of desire, which we all(hopefully) realize is complete fallacy (at least on Earth).
Or-
I git what I git and I don't throw a fit.
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Right...
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03-07-2013, 16:22
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#251
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pauls
Hi Thomm,
I'd suggest you buy a copy of "Seaworthiness the Forgotten Factor" by Marcaj. A great book that addresses a number of the various factors that influence seaworthiness and seakindliness.
You can ask a lot of people for their opinions, and you'll get a lot of different answers. The truth is that sailboats are all a combination of compromises. The best thing you can do is understand the hows and whys of various design features, then you can make your own decisions. The more you understand the better they'll be.
If you read Marcaj and take the time to understand him I promise you you'll find it worthwhile. He is a national champ sailor (Finn 15s I think), a recognized aerodynamicist, author of texts on aero and hydrdynamics, and a funny and clear thinking guy.
Good luck to you in your quest. I've spent a lot of time sailing small cats too, they are a blast. Everybody is looking for different things in a cruising boat. Sea kindliness is important to me, I think it is under rated.
Cheers, Paul
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After all this long thread, looks like all the answers are in this book.
"Seaworthiness .......... the Forgotten Factor"
You want a good boat for offshore, you may want to check your numbers etc. A big boat with fin keel may not be the best thing. (well, it is the 4th tomorrow. It's time for some fireworks!)
Also, again, the longer keel boats track better and are much easier to sail without the rudder than the fins it appears........
but the Contessa 32 is among the boats that are acceptable due to the longer keel and disp/ballast ratio as I understand it.
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31-07-2013, 02:15
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#252
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Chicago
Boat: Shannon 28
Posts: 57
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Re: Blue Water Boats ........Again.
Snore,
I believe you are mistaken about the cockpit arrangement on the Shannon 38. Here's a link to a 38 owner's photo page. Scroll down to the cockpit photos.
GENESIS INTERIOR PHOTOS
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