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08-02-2016, 13:39
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
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Originally Posted by belizesailor
Unfortunate, but fortunately rare in Belize. One other event that I know of.
Pays to be security concious everywhere...unfortunately.
I wouldn't count on much from the Belize PD...their behavior ranges from KeyStone Cops funny to tragically incompetent.
I also wouldn't count on any competent evaluation of a rape victim.
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Frankly, I wouldn't count on it ANYwhere. Best chance is at a hospital.
What a horrible event.
Ann
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08-02-2016, 16:52
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
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Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate
Frankly, I wouldn't count on it ANYwhere. Best chance is at a hospital.
What a horrible event.
Ann
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Wouldn't count in it even in a hospital in Belize.
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08-02-2016, 17:33
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
Sometime back I had a boat at Ambergris caye Belize. I said in another thread recently I have felt comfortable in most of the countries Ive cruised, Belize I didn't. The Cayes were fine but Belize its self? I knew a couple of Canadian prosecutors that were spending 1 year working in the Belize legal system, the stories they told were tradgic. They ownly forfilled 6 mths of their intended 12 mth stay. I had a dealing with the police their, lets just say I felt they were happy the gringo had been robbed, could have just been the day.
Boatie in my opinion is spot on, a gun fight or machete fight with these guys? Not for me, but I agree the appropriate response is decided at the time.
Cheers Dale.
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08-02-2016, 19:10
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
Lived in and cruised Belize for many years without any significant concern for security, but since the brutal attack on the Moorings boat a few years back, have been more cautious. Glad I got those years in.
In addition to attacks on these two cruising boats, there have also been attacks on local fishing boats. All the attacks I know of have occurred from Pelican Cays north. Likely the culprits came from nearby population centers like Dangriga or Belize City.
Might be another reason to favor lightly populated southern Belize.
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08-02-2016, 19:36
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
Boatman, u killin me again....he he he..."I find fighting nude a serious disadvantage".
Um,um...did someone yank your chain?
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09-02-2016, 07:17
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
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Originally Posted by daletournier
Sometime back I had a boat at Ambergris caye Belize. I said in another thread recently I have felt comfortable in most of the countries Ive cruised, Belize I didn't. The Cayes were fine but Belize its self? I knew a couple of Canadian prosecutors that were spending 1 year working in the Belize legal system, the stories they told were tradgic. They ownly forfilled 6 mths of their intended 12 mth stay. I had a dealing with the police their, lets just say I felt they were happy the gringo had been robbed, could have just been the day.
Boatie in my opinion is spot on, a gun fight or machete fight with these guys? Not for me, but I agree the appropriate response is decided at the time.
Cheers Dale.
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Amber Caye? I remember the John McAfee experience from couple of years ago. Even traded messages with him while he was in Guatamalan jail, although at the time I thought it was an intermediary. What a nightmare! So I"m not sure the cruisers who are quitting should base their decision on experiences from that area.
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09-02-2016, 08:26
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
The "fences" know who committed the robbery, and if the Belizean authorities were truly serious about catching them or curbing this type of activity, then they could have used much harsher sentencing as a bargaining tool to get the information they needed to bring the perps (if they're not actually one-in-the-same) to justice. The fact that the police are calling the victims liars (no sexual assault) shows who's side they're on. The only way this kind of thing will ever be addressed by the government of Belize is if cruisers and tourists simply stop going there.
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09-02-2016, 12:13
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
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Originally Posted by Sailor_Hutch
Amber Caye? I remember the John McAfee experience from couple of years ago. Even traded messages with him while he was in Guatamalan jail, although at the time I thought it was an intermediary. What a nightmare! So I"m not sure the cruisers who are quitting should base their decision on experiences from that area.
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Ha, yeah, funny/tragic episode. Totally bungled by BZ cops. Case study on how to get way with murder paradise.
Friends of mine who lived on Ambergris knew McAffee (total nut case) and the neighbor he alledgely killed. They were familiar with the dispute, were at the crime scene before the police (who never show up anywhere quickly...unless they smell a financial opportunity). Their opinion is that he did it.
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09-02-2016, 12:21
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Re: Belize: Assault and Robbery at Sea
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Originally Posted by Ishmael
The "fences" know who committed the robbery, and if the Belizean authorities were truly serious about catching them or curbing this type of activity, then they could have used much harsher sentencing as a bargaining tool to get the information they needed to bring the perps (if they're not actually one-in-the-same) to justice. The fact that the police are calling the victims liars (no sexual assault) shows who's side they're on. The only way this kind of thing will ever be addressed by the government of Belize is if cruisers and tourists simply stop going there.
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Welcome to Belize. An impact on the tourist trade would matter, but cruisers are financially irrelevant and often resented for being "pon we sea" ("on our sea" ). So what cruisers do or dont do wont matter.
A good friend of mine was involved in retrieving the guests from the Moorings charter attack. Local officials did not assist and were apathetic about the event.
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