Bad News for YouTube bloggers

[hellosailor]

"they were going to make this change to stop people from copying other's content "
Right, like that's going to work?
What they could do, is change their upload process so that their server watermarked every upload, and also checked every upload to see if there was a previous watermark (and therefore a previous copyright) on it. That's donkey work, Gargoyle and YoRube! both have hundreds of thousands of donkeys to do it.

It sounds more like they made a decision that "hobby" accounts will be allowed to continue free of charge--and free of the expenses to maintain them--and after a 10,000 view threshold, they'll be considered commercial customers.

With Facebook and others getting into the business this year and competition becoming a bigger issue, I'd expect a lot of financial changes from all of them.

[Deltasailor]

Originally Posted by Seeking Solace

YouTube just screwed Millions of contributors
I'm sure by now many of you who have YouTube accounts have realized that if you had less than 10,000 lifetime views on your channel your monetization has vanished. Back in April of 2017 YouTube announced that they were going to make this change to stop people from copying other's content and getting paid from views on their channels.
So Let's get this right? YouTube is saying that those with over 10,000 views don't steal content? Or maybe, they're saying that those with less than 10,000 views steal content? I just don't get it.
YouTube more than has the resources to check every video for copyright content and partner with BMG, BMI, and every other greedy group out there to remove your content because some lousy song was playing in the background while you were trying to record original content.
Life happens right? I just can't see people working so hard to make sure that there isn't anything on a TV in the room or playing on a radio at the red light. Get a life YouTube and stop hurting the little guy so you can continue to run ads in their channel without paying them for their work.

It is way the internet works, someone finds an interesting topic then every S O So gets into the act. Sorry I have not got a clue, it is for all you young folk to work it out. Good luck!

[captaingregger]

I pay for youtube Red. Love it. I don't have to watch ads (BTW, I make it a point to never buy from an advertiser who forces me to watch a video). If this makes youtube go after all the fake scammers on there then I'm fine with it.

This became a real issue last week as we were all searching for content and documentation regarding the Irma damage in the BVI and USVI. Until the drone videos started to get uploaded, all kinds of scammers were luring in viewers with promises of damage footage only to merely show pictures of the same 3 harbors that we all saw posted on line through other sites.

I also like their new model because you can contribute to your favorite channels yourself and vote with your pocketbook when it comes to political rants. For example, I had been following one guy's channel for 3 years. I donated to his channel via Patreon. But when he started with lame political rants, I simple ended both my funding and subscription.

All that said, if this ends up choking content, and youtube loses value-added over that, it could cause some monthly subscribers like me to cxl, just like I did to cable.

[Matt Johnson]

Again, it varies by if people watch the entire ad, click on the ad, and if they watch the entire episode (more ads). On average, 10,000 views is about $15. I believe Youtube also pays you retroactively once you hit your 10k for the ads they have shown.

If they had no threshold for earning, Youtube would have to set-up tax and payment info for someone with eight cent earnings. If you haven't filled out the required forms to get paid from them yet, you'll see it is a lot of data and info required. It feels like the amount of paperwork an employer's HR department makes you fill out for a new job.

Matt

[atoll]

Originally Posted by funjohnson

Again, it varies by if people watch the entire ad, click on the ad, and if they watch the entire episode (more ads). On average, 10,000 views is about $15. I believe Youtube also pays you retroactively once you hit your 10k for the ads they have shown.

If they had no threshold for earning, Youtube would have to set-up tax and payment info for someone with eight cent earnings. If you haven't filled out the required forms to get paid from them yet, you'll see it is a lot of data and info required. It feels like the amount of paperwork an employer's HR department makes you fill out for a new job.

Matt

ebay do not require contact with the tax office for turn over of under £2k,why should youtube be any different?

plus the onus is on the tax payer to declare income,not ebay or youtube for their members

[dwedeking2]

Originally Posted by atoll

ebay do not require contact with the tax office for turn over of under £2k,why should youtube be any different?

plus the onus is on the tax payer to declare income,not ebay or youtube for their members

Atoll this isn't the case in the US. Companies provide 1099 forms for income reporting on private contractors.

I don't see how anyone who's been on the net for any length of time would be surprised by this. The "build a following then monetize" is the most basic internet business model.

Originally Posted by ZULU40

u suspect

there is nothing in our predictive history that sustains this
no incentive = no committent = why bother

[atoll]

Originally Posted by dwedeking2

Atoll this isn't the case in the US. Companies provide 1099 forms for income reporting on private contractors.

I don't see how anyone who's been on the net for any length of time would be surprised by this. The "build a following then monetize" is the most basic internet business model.

yes but that would still leave the onus on the individual to provide the info to the tax office,not youtube,same as the uk or europe,otherwise youtube would be in breach of tax laws left right and center irrespective of what country the uploaders are resident in

[hellosailor]

Private parties in the US face different thresholds for when they are required to send a 1099 to the IRS and the payee. I've gotten 1099's from financial institutions for less than ten bucks (1099-INT or -DIV) and also not gotten them from private parties for amounts over $500.

Whatever they are, the thresholds exist. Some parties take the conservative approach and 1099 everyone, so the IRS can't say "You should have" and they can, in turn, say to the IRS "Hey, we've gone beyond what you require from us." Wasted money perhaps, but their CFO's choose to do it that way.

[Matt Johnson]

Originally Posted by atoll

ebay do not require contact with the tax office for turn over of under £2k,why should youtube be any different?

plus the onus is on the tax payer to declare income,not ebay or youtube for their members

Valid point about eBay. I'm not sure why Youtube treats you more as an independent contractor. I'm also not sure at what dollar amount Youtube submits a 1099 tax form in the US . Paypal is around $10,000.

Matt

[hellosailor]

Matt-
On ebay, the buyer and seller are the parties controlling the transaction. Ebay is only taking a fee on it.
On YoRube! they are contracting for ads, placing ads, selling ads, making payments for running the ads, and neither the "buyer" (the person watching) nor the "seller" (the content creator) has any voice in that. Making the two corporations very different in their roles.
Ebay doesn't offer to pay me for my actions, they only try to steal more from my pockets. YoRube! actively solicits content creators. Pretty much like Fox network soliciting indy producers for reality TV, and contracting to carry their shows.
I'd heard the Facebook was already making sweetheart deals with some content creators to start moving their content over to Facebook, in the push to jumpstart that service. (Which runs a facial recognition program that even the CIA has expressed envy over.)

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by ZULU40

u suspect

there is nothing in our predictive history that sustains this
no incentive = no committent = why bother

Having helped design a few compensation programs, along with professionals in that field, I can tell you that monetary incetive alone is not an effective sole motivator (not just my opinion, a well established fact). To get true commitment there must be other motivating factors.

You nor I, get monetary incentive for participating in CF, which in a small way supports someone elses business, so why bother?

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

"they were going to make this change to stop people from copying other's content "
Right, like that's going to work?
What they could do, is change their upload process so that their server watermarked every upload, and also checked every upload to see if there was a previous watermark (and therefore a previous copyright) on it. That's donkey work, Gargoyle and YoRube! both have hundreds of thousands of donkeys to do it.

It sounds more like they made a decision that "hobby" accounts will be allowed to continue free of charge--and free of the expenses to maintain them--and after a 10,000 view threshold, they'll be considered commercial customers.

With Facebook and others getting into the business this year and competition becoming a bigger issue, I'd expect a lot of financial changes from all of them.

And, as you point out, there is a cost to supporting YouTube posters. For those below the 10K/annum threshold, its not likey financially worthwhile for YouTube. It is a business afterall...and the prime purpose of business is to make a profit.

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by dwedeking2

Atoll this isn't the case in the US. Companies provide 1099 forms for income reporting on private contractors.

I don't see how anyone who's been on the net for any length of time would be surprised by this. The "build a following then monetize" is the most basic internet business model.

And, as I learned last tax season, the IRS has now stepped up enforcement and penalties for not properly issuing 1099s.

[peter57]

Originally Posted by belizesailor

Fortunately it will be a very long time before someone figures out how to regulate the air here:

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People are having chips inserted into their bodies now, just to enter a club easy.

To regulate the air, the chip that will be inserted to your body to be a citizen of a country will cut the oxygen and up the CO2 (a deal that will be struck with the Warmers) if your Air tax has not been paid.

Price concessions for polluted areas.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by peter57

People are having chips inserted into their bodies now, just to enter a club easy.

To regulate the air, the chip that will be inserted to your body to be a citizen of a country will cut the oxygen and up the CO2 (a deal that will be struck with the Warmers) if your Air tax has not been paid.

Price concessions for polluted areas.

i forecast a big rise in Oxygen Thieves,should this legislation ever become law..........as if we haven't got enough already