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Old 24-01-2020, 21:01   #16
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Re: Anchoring Sydney Harbour

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Old 25-01-2020, 04:34   #17
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We are now 5 weeks in sydney harbour and constant smoke particles getting to us although we have been told it is better last month or two. Both feeling constantly sick and will pack up and move north where cleaner air.

Anyone else feeling that way or we just too 'bad air' sensitive ? We lived in Sydney couple decades and never felt that bad except in some sydney suburbia full of traffic.
Sydney, NSW and Australia has had bushfires. Did you not read about this? These are abnormal conditions, but our Prime Minister, Scumo, does not seem to realise the reason for this, nor do you.
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Sydney, NSW and Australia has had bushfires. Did you not read about this? These are abnormal conditions, but our Prime Minister, Scumo, does not seem to realise the reason for this, nor do you.
Sydney did not have any bush fires, neither did Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Darwin or Adelaide. No bush, no fuel accumulation, building codes and regulations regarding the careless accumulation of fuel loads in urban environments.

ScoMo is smart enough to know that CC/AGW has nothing to do with the bush fires but feels he needs to placate the ratbag element in the media who are exploiting this summers fires for their own ends.

Hot, dry, windy conditions are not abnormal summer time conditions for many parts of Australia and if you let your forests become tinder boxes sooner or later they will burn.
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We are now 5 weeks in sydney harbour and constant smoke particles getting to us although we have been told it is better last month or two. Both feeling constantly sick and will pack up and move north where cleaner air.

Anyone else feeling that way or we just too 'bad air' sensitive ? We lived in Sydney couple decades and never felt that bad except in some sydney suburbia full of traffic.
think everyone in sydney is feeling the same. apparently there have been some bushfires nearby...try googling "australian bushfires"

recently on pittwater we had visibility down to about 30m due to the smoke...

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Sydney did not have any bush fires, neither did Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Darwin or Adelaide. No bush, no fuel accumulation, building codes and regulations regarding the careless accumulation of fuel loads in urban environments.

ScoMo is smart enough to know that CC/AGW has nothing to do with the bush fires but feels he needs to placate the ratbag element in the media who are exploiting this summers fires for their own ends.

Hot, dry, windy conditions are not abnormal summer time conditions for many parts of Australia and if you let your forests become tinder boxes sooner or later they will burn.
There were in fact a number of fires in the Sydney metropolitan area, not massive but they were here, and just how and why have the forests become tinder boxes, could it possibly be the massive lack of rain over the preceding years, or is that a nonsense as well?
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Old 25-01-2020, 16:44   #21
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Just barely got into NSW in the Tweed River and had a visit from "Maritime". Nice young bloke who informed me that I can anchor in one place for only 28 days each year and a total of 90 days total in all anchorages. NSW does not recognize Australian registration. etc, etc, etc.

He didn't explain how they keep track of me.

Some very pretty anchorages though.
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http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...es-191186.html

Thread titled: Anchoring restrictions in New South Wales

"I was recently reminded that there are now some regulations regarding anchoring in NSW. They have been on the books for a while, but apparently are gradually being enforced in some areas, with some cruisers being told to move on from an anchorage where they had lingered "too long".

These are the relevant statutes:


MARINE SAFETY REGULATION 2016 - REG 17A Restrictions on time at anchor
17A Restrictions on time at anchor

(1) The operator of a vessel must not allow a vessel to be at anchor in NSW waters for more than 90 days in any calendar year.
(2) The operator of a vessel must not allow a vessel to be at anchor in any one place in NSW waters for more than 28 days in any calendar year.
Maximum penalty: 50 penalty units.


The definition of "any one place" is apparently kinda arbitrary. Two specific areas that are each considered "one place" are Sydney harbour, including Middle harbour, and the Pittwater area, including all of Broken Bay up to the bridges near Brooklyn. Damn big "one places" in my eyes.

I have had personal communications with a friend at the management level in the Maritime organization. He said that the rules had been established to provide a means of getting rid of derelicts and squatters, not to harass cruisers (he's a cruiser himself). Unfortunately, it seems that patrol officers are individually applying it to whatever boat attracts their attention. One of those officers told me that they were developing a statewide data base to help with enforcement. How nice...

I don't have a clue how this will develop over time, but all who cruise on the NSW coast should be aware of the restrictions. Ever more pitfalls in paradise...

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Re: Anchoring Sydney Harbour

As Uncle bob said, it is not just fire, but dust as well. That is what we feel as well. After heavy rain one expects clean air, which has not materialized and that is scaring.

We been hurt physically and already decided to minimize stay in NSW in the future so that these 90 day restrictions do not matter for us.
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Sydney did not have any bush fires, neither did Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Darwin or Adelaide. No bush, no fuel accumulation, building codes and regulations regarding the careless accumulation of fuel loads in urban environments.

ScoMo is smart enough to know that CC/AGW has nothing to do with the bush fires but feels he needs to placate the ratbag element in the media who are exploiting this summers fires for their own ends.

Hot, dry, windy conditions are not abnormal summer time conditions for many parts of Australia and if you let your forests become tinder boxes sooner or later they will burn.
Here we go again. Always cheers me up: "Don't worry folks! This is all perfectly normal, happens all the time, etc." Kind of gets me out of my negative mood about the rate at which humans are doing what they do best: destroy the place.

Oh and you (and ScoMo) are right, CC/AGW has nothing to do with bushfires, rather the bushfires have everything to do with CC/AGW. But soon the causality will be both ways when the fun will really start.
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There were in fact a number of fires in the Sydney metropolitan area, not massive but they were here, and just how and why have the forests become tinder boxes, could it possibly be the massive lack of rain over the preceding years, or is that a nonsense as well?
Nope, it collects from falling leaves, branches, non perenial shrubbery, regrowth etc. and because the climate is predominately dry, unlike in rain forests where it tends to rot, it accumulates.

We know what causes the problem and every time we have one of these bad bush fire seasons and the resultant enquiry, the recommendations are the same - manage the fuel load.

I have yet to hear of the Simson desert burning but every few years the wettest non tropical parts of Australia have these bad bush fires. A couple of good wet seasons, plenty of plant growth, a build up of fuel load. It's inevitable we will have fires. If we could wave a magic wand and reduce atmospheric CO2 to pre industrial levels we would still have bad bush fires. Not rocket science mate.

ScoMo has absolutely no powers under the Australian Constitution to legislate on land use laws, it is entirely a state matter however this fact will not stop the left of politics and their media cronies from attempting to shift the blame for their fuel load management neglect.
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